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-Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha.

I agree with the  views expressed by Sri Ramachandran.

There is no mention of Mangalya dharanam in Valmiki Ramayanam.
Janaka is said to have given 'dattam' to Rama by pouring sacred water 
on his hand that held Sita's hand. While doing so, he declared that 
from thenceforth  Sita become his saha dharma pathni who would follow 
him for ever.

In 'Varanamayiram'pasuram, Andal speaks about 'kaiththalam pattral' 
(pANi grahaNam)and not about mangalya dharanam. So it seems we can 
safely assume that until Andal's times, that is about 1000 years ago, 
this practice was not in vogue. It is believed that mangalya dharanam 
was prevalent in tamil society but we must check with ancient books 
in Tamil to know about this.

 Another interesting information is that the practice of waering nose 
ring (mookkuthi) was not in vogue until Muslim invasion. The old 
sculptures of women orof women deities in temples in Tamil nadu do 
not pose a nose ring. No jewel indiacting a nose ring had existed in 
ancient tamil works. Kamban's Sita did not wear a nose ring. kamban 
speaks elaborately about all the jewellery that Sita wore at the time 
of her wedding. But nowhere there is a mention of nose ting. I would 
like to know whether it is the same in VAlmiki RAmayana also.


jayasree.


-- In Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, s.ramachandran@xxxx wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Respected members:
> 
> To the best of this writer's limited knowledge, there is no 
reference to
> 'maangalayadharana' (or the sister-in-law tying  one knot etc.) in 
the
> Vedas / scriptures.  At best we may conclude this so-
called 'ritualistic
> practice' is of a more modern import say circa a few hundred years 
perhaps.
> The intrepretations may be numerous, but there is no conclusive 
scriptural
> confirmation.  What the texts have however, referred at various 
points is
> that a valid marriage must mandatorily be solomonised with  agni   
as the
> witness which is still being followed.
> 
> Also, among the intrepretations given below, certainly it cannot be 
for
> reminding the husband to perform the trikala Sandhya. This is a 
nitya karma
> which sticks to the man the moment as a kid he dons the sacred 
thread and
> hears the sacred  Gayathri. It then becomes a habit coursing 
through the
> veins of the person so to say. The mandates of the Vedas cannot be
> forgotton,nor do they require reminders. Especially, when he is 
about to
> get married he should be very well grounded with the Sandhya 
requirements.
> 
> Om tat sat
> tat tvam asi
> 
> 
> 
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>                       07/13/04 05:24           knots at the time of 
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> Dear SrIman Krishna Tatachar :
> Thanks very much for this note .
> I have taken the liberty of copying it to Oppiliappan
> List for information .
> V.Sadagopan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tatachar@xxxx>
> To: ""Ashok"" <ashok_q@xxxx>; <SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Significance of 3 knots at the time of
> Maangalyadhaarana
> 
> 
> > Dear Bhagavathaas,
> >
> > There are many ways of looking at the significance of
> > 3 (knots) of mangala sUtra, a symbols of sacred union
> > between a man and a woman:
> >
> > Union of mind, body and soul.
> > United in manasaa (mind), kaaya (deeds)-vaaca (words).
> > Because two different family members (mother and sister) are 
involved in
> tieing the knot besides the groom, it means, they too approve of 
the union.
> > Taapa trayam (marriage brings problems!), the three knots help to
> > tie down the problems.
> > Prasthaana thrayams (brahma sUtra, UpaniSHat, gItA).
> > AUM
> > ThrimUrthis.
> > Rahasya thrayams.
> > TrayI vidhya (samhita, brAhmaNa, and araNyaka).
> > Past, present and future are united.
> > To remind husband to perform trikaala sandhyavandanam!
> > 1-2-3 gO.
> >
> > dAsan
> >
> > K. Sreekrishna Tatachar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/9/2004 11:37:11 AM Eastern Daylight 
Time, "Ashok"
> <ashok_q@xxxx> writes:
> >
> > >Hello to all,
> > >There was a query recently asking for the significance of 
putting 3
> > >knots at the time of Maangalyadhaarana.
> > >I have not been able to find any specific explanation to the 
three
> > >knots, except that this symbolises the integration in mind and 
soul
> > >of three important parties to the sacred marriage.
> > >The first knot apparently, symbolises the unity between the 
husband
> > >and wife and the firm commitment to each other through the 
marital
> > >bondage. This is amply borne out in all the rituals of the 
marriage;
> > >The second knot symbolises the unification and firm commitment to
> > >the two families; The third one, which is normally tied by the
> > >sister, is the reciprocal commitment and assurance of the boy's 
side
> > >to the girl's prosperity and well being and the progeny brought
> > >through this bondage.
> > >If any of the group members get a diiferent interpretation, 
please
> > >let me know.
> > >Also apologies please, if i am incorrect in mentioning the above
> > >significance.
> > >
> > >Ashok from Ras-Al-Khaimah, U.A.E.



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