Dear SrI Narasimhan : Thanks very much for your mail. Yes indeed ! The Sapthapathi ( agni valam ) with the appropriate Rg Veda Manthrams from the Xth Canto is the accepted proof in any court of law . Detailed references to "Vedic Wedding " has been covered in my earlier postings in the Bhakthi List ( http://www.ramanuja.org and its archives as well as in the VaaraNamAyiram section Postings in the NaacchiyAr Thirumozhi and in Smt.KalyANI KrishNamAchAri's detailed postings on the same topic . V.Sadagopan ----- Original Message ----- From: "narsimhan csl" <cslnarsimhan@xxxxxxxxx> To: "jasn sn" <jayasartn@xxxxxxxxx>; <SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Mangalya dharanam. > > Dear Bhagavatottamas, > > I was going through some of the postings regarding 'mangalya dhaaranam'. Let me give some important aspects regarding marriage. According to the marriage rituals, the marriage is complete only after performing 'Sapthapathi', not even 'Paanigrahanam' strictly. Saptapathi is a vow made in front of sacred Agni (Lord Narayana in this form) and this witness is the only official witness for the marriage. Hence he is to be protected till the existence of the couple. So many of our poorvacharyas have done this protection for their entire 'couple life'. > > In 'Aapasthambha sutra' to which most of the 'yajur vedis' belong, there is no manthram for important events like yagnyopaveetha dhaaranam, Mangalya dhaaranam etc. It is coming from a curse to sage Apasthambha that 'veda manthrams' for these dont exist. What 'yajushakhis' recite for yagnyopaveetha dhaaranam is strictly only a slokam & not 'veda manthram'. Similar is the case for mangalya dhaaranam. For other 'veda shaakhis' like rig, saama, manthrams exist for all the rituals. > > Because, prior to the shaapam, yajus shakhis had also manthrams, we still follow those rituals without manthrams. Luckily, manthrams for other important aspects like panigrahanam, sapthapathi exist and after sapthapathi is performed the marriage is complete-not before that ! This is true for all the veda shaakas. > > Sajjana padapadma paramanuhu > > Lakshmi Narasimha dasaha > > > > > > jasn sn <jayasartn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: -Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha. > > Let me take part in the debate on mangalya dharanam. > > There is no mention of Mangalya dharanam in Valmiki > Ramayanam. > Janaka is said to have given 'dattam' to Rama by > pouring sacred water on his hand that held Sita's > hand. While doing so, he declared that from > thenceforth Sita become his saha dharma pathni who > would follow him for ever. > > In 'Varanamayiram'pasuram, Andal speaks about > 'kaiththalam pattral' (pANi grahaNam)and not about > mangalya dharanam. So it seems we can safely assume > that until Andal's times, that is about 1000 years > ago, this practice was not in vogue. It is believed > that mangalya dharanam was prevalent in tamil society > but we must check with ancient books in Tamil to know > about this. > > Another interesting information is that the practice > of waering nose ring (mookkuthi) was not in vogue > until Muslim invasion. The old sculptures of women > orof women deities in temples in Tamil nadu do not > pose a nose ring. No jewel indiacting a nose ring had > existed in ancient tamil works. Kamban's Sita did not > wear a nose ring. kamban speaks elaborately about all > the jewellery that Sita wore at the time of her > wedding. But nowhere there is a mention of nose ting. > I would like to know whether it is the same in VAlmiki > RAmayana also. > > > jayasree. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SriRangaSri/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > SriRangaSri-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Oppiliappan/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Oppiliappan-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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