Dear Krishnamachari Swamin! Thanks for your question. Its great bhAgyam to explain that concept of comparing Sita with jeevathmA and anjanEyar as achAryan. The same question was posted earlier by Sri Sadagopan Swamin on Sita As jeevAthmA and AnjanEyar as Acharya as follows: > --- gopan <yennappan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> SrI: >> >> Dear Sri Senthil: >> >> I am forwardign Sri M.G.Vasudevan >> for his comments on SithA PirAtti being equated to >> a Jeevan and AnjanEyar as Her AchAryan . >> >> I will wait for his comments . >> >> V.S Then after adiyEn sends some of the events in the life history of Swamy MudaliAndAn, the comparison is not a false one. ADiyen requests to read the following complete mails from adiyens to Sadagopan swamin. Eventhough adiyen doesn't know any Vedics, SmrithIs, etc., adiyen would like to follow our poorvAsiriyars, AchAryAs. From Swamy MudaliyAndAn vaibhavam, Swamy MudaliyAndAn, says clearly in his upadEsam to his sishyAs. Eventhough some feels that, its not good to compare sitA as jeevan and anjanEyan as Acharya, adiyEn will never considered adiyens own thought. Adiyen always considers our Acharya';s vaibhavam. In that way, Swamy MudaliyAndAn is in no way comparable with other sishyAs of Shrimath Ramanujar. Even Swamy KooraththAlwan praises Swamy MudaliyAndAn, since only swamy MudaliyAndAn has dEha sampandam with Swamy Ramanujar. If such a great sathsishyar of Swamy EmperumAnAr compares the position of sitA pirAttiyAr in ashOka vanam with jeevAthma and the act of anjanEyar with achAryars act of panchasamskaram, then WE are in no way to comment that!. Adiyen only followed Swamy MudaliyAndAn vaibhavam. And even Swamy Desikan in his stotram also declared the same thing. AdiyEn requests dont confuse with that, sitA is jeevan, anjanEyar is acharyan. Here that part of Sundara Kandam can be equalled with that of jeevathma's position in this world. Please go through the follwing mail. ---- Original Message ----- From: "senthil b" <b_senthil2002@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "gopan" <yennappan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: pramAnam from Swamy Desikans stOtram and MudaliyAndAn vaibhavam! > > Swamin: > > Yesterday, adiyen comes across the same topic > in one of Swamy Desikans' stotram. In that > Swamy states that "...................... > LankAruDHa vivEka rAjadhanayA nyAyam:|" > > Adiyen mentioned only the last line > of the entire stotram. In that Swamy Desikan > clearly states that "the position of sItA > pirAttiyAr in ashOkavanam is EQUIVALENT to > the presence of jeevAthma in this sareeram. > This is nyAyam (true)!" Here Swamy founds the > new truth that both the positions of pirAttiyAr > and the jeevAthma are SAME. > >>From Swamy Desikans pramAnam its clear that > adiyens' words also matches with that. > > The same is expressed in MudaliyAnDAn vaibhavam > also. Swamy MudaliyAndAn is sathsishyar of > Shrimath Ramanujar. One day Swamy MudaliyAndAn > in his upanyAsam to his sishyAs, explained the > concept of sItA pirAttiyArs' position in ashOka > vanam. There Swamy MudaliyAndAn explained as: > " > 1) sitA pirAttiyAr in ashOkavanam is same as > (=)jeevAthma in this sareeram. > > 2) RAvanan with ten heads is same as (=)ten > (patthu)inthiriyangal which pulls the jeevAthma. > > 3) AnjanEyan gave kanaiyAzhi to sItA is > same as (=)AchAryan who perform panchasamskAram > (kanaiyAzhi=chanku chakram)to his sishyA. > > 4)As prathiyupakAram to AnjanEyan, sItA pirAttiyAr > gave HER choodAmani to AnjanEyan, same as (=) > sishyA after receiving panchasamskAram from his > Acharyan, as prathiyupakAram says that "there is > nothing to give you AchAryare! except adiyens > namaskAram". sishyA raises his hand above the HEAD > as like pirAttiyAr gave her Choodamani to AnjanEyan! > > 5) PirAttiyAr in Lanka surrounded by ocean is same > as (=) jeevAthma surrounded by samsAric ocean! > > 6) PirAttiyAr doesnt know about the position of > Sri Rama prabu is same as (=) jeevAthma also doesnt > know (no knowledge)about Paramapada nAthan in SrI > Vaikuntam. > > The only the two difference is that there in > rAmAyanam, Lord Raman doesn't know about the position > (Where about) of sItA pirAttiyAr, but here the > paramAthmA knows the jeevAthmA very well." > > The above was the upanyAsam given by Sri MudaliyAndAn > to his sishyAs which was explained well in his > vaibhavam. Actually there are two differences,Adiyen > forget to explain one more difference between the > pirAttiyArs position with jeevAthma. > > So from the Swamy Desikans stotram, Sri MudaliyAndAn > vaibhavam which adiyen knows, the posting contents > which equates the sitA pirAttiyArs position with > the jeevAthma is correct. > > Adiyen requests Swamin to verify and give Swamins > comments!. > > adiyen, > senthil.b > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- In Oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Narasimhan Krishnamachari <champakam@...> wrote: > > Dear Sri Senthil svAmin: > > I do not write this for starting any argument, but purely for information. Your statement that > > "Consider Rama as paramAthmA, pirAttiyAr as JeevAthmA, Anjaneyar > as Guru --- This is one team !" > > is not a view held by all bhagavad rAmAnuja sampradayam followrs, as you probably know. pirATTi is noit considered a jIvAtmA, but as an integral and inseparable part of the paramAtmA - the pair consisting of pernumAL and thAyAr. Once again, I am not writing this to start a negative discussion on this topic, but just to point out that your statement is one view by a segment of the rAmAnuja sampradAyam followers. I hope this is taken in the spirit of information, and does not start a negative discussion. > > -dAsan Krishnamachari ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/XUWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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