Dear Bhagavatars This is an extremely long and tedious discussion, sahetuka, nirhetuka - who cares? It is all a matter for the Lord, it has nothing to do with us. Our duty is simply to surrender, practice loving kindness and compassion and serve all beings as they were God Himself (or herself!) and please leave the rest to Him. We should focus on our practice not on the effect that that practice has on the Lord (karmanyeva adhikaraste ma phaleshu kadacana). Let us rather turn our attention to how we can bring ever increasing joy and happiness to others - does any one have any suggestions? Sri Rama
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