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Dear Sriman Gunaseelan,

Thank you for the nice posting.

Anything done for mOksha goes against our swarUpa. Even mOksha is 
secondary compared to adimai. We believe there is a paramapada as 
Lord Himself says so in gItA and vEdas. Conceptually this is the place
where we can do uninterrupted service without any ahankAra and 
mamakAra.

In VaikunTa gadya, AchArya rAmAnuja says we cannot visualize the 
paramapadam and stresses and wishes only kanikaryam there.

Out of AchArya abhimAnam or the abhimAnam of the AchArya for us, we 
realize He is our upAya and upEya and we are subservient to Him. then 
mOskham is naturally assured. Serving the AchArya is only something 
natural to our swarUpam, as you have mentioned.

dAsAnudAsan
Vishnu


--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Gunaseelan v" <gunav@xxxx> wrote:
> Sri:
> Dear Mohan
> Great explanation about prapatti and the means of attaining 
Moksham , Botha
> upAyama and upEyam is He only , none of our act can attain the 
Moksham,
> including prapatti, and as you said even the act of doing prappty 
is also
> not ours its His, "athuvum avanathu innarulE".
> Also I would like to interpret your message
> "it could be said that we
> should be less concerned for prapatti as we should be for serving 
our
> Acha:rya in gratitude for all that he is doing for us"
> 
> While our Acharya ManavAla mAmunigal has dwelt in depth about the 
Acharyan
> roles in Upadesa rathina mAlai,but doing service back to him is it 
out of
> gratitude ? I would like to differ, you can never match by any 
Service to
> the Acharyan to the Mokham he is getting it for the Chethanan, as 
the later
> is so invaluable. So doing service to Achrayn is the Jeevatham's 
swaroopam,
> Here I mean , while doing service to him you should have such mind 
set that
> you are paying back to him, as you also said earlier you should 
serve the
> Acharyan with love and affection only, any other mind set may cause 
breach
> of Chethanan's Swaroopam, the same is applicable to Sriman 
Narayanan also.
> 
> Hoe I am clear
> 
> Adiyen
> Gunaseelan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Madhuri and Mohan [mailto:m_raghavan@xxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 8:12 AM
> To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ramanuja] Question - Prapatti
> 
> 
> Dear Madhusudhanan,
> 
> Neither prapatti nor the formal practice of Bhakthi Yo:ga can assure
> anyone of mo:ksha. Mo:ksha is solely the gift of the Lord Himself, 
out
> of His Boundless Compassion, and only at a time when He feels that 
an
> invidual is ready for it.
> 
> The challenge with Bhakthi Yo:ga is that it can only belong to a 
few,
> namely qualified Brahmin males who are well-suited to live a life of
> strict discipline, meditation, and practice; those with the 
tenacity to
> be able to forsake material comforts and wordly obligations and 
focus
> only on the goal of achieving salvation, despite the knowledge that 
such
> salvation can only be given at the time the Lord feels that one is
> ready. Needless to say, this path is filled with many obstacles and
> hardships, and is virtually impossible in this day and age.
> Consequently, prapatti is afforded to everyone, irrespective of 
race,
> caste, or gender, as the only method for one seeking Connection to 
the
> Divine.
> 
> It is important to note that the term "method" is being used only 
for
> description's sake, because prapatti is not a ritual or some sort of
> step-by-step process that has clear-cut guidelines and specific
> requirements. Nor can we truly say that it even has a specific 
goal.
> It is instead a realization, an awakening, if you will, in which one
> realizes that all that we are, all that we experience, all that we 
know
> and love, is but a gift of the Divine, and has Him Alone to which it
> must owe its very existence. This awareness makes us realize that 
ours
> is just to revel at just how much Love He must feel for each and 
every
> one of us to provide us with all of this without condition. What 
else
> can one do at this point but love in return, becoming simple 
receptacles
> to His Grace and instruments to His Good?
> 
> Such a realization, such a profound awakening, cannot happen without
> God's Grace, either, which comes to us in the form of the Acha:rya,
> under whose guidance we place ourselves through the sacrament of
> panchasamska:ram. It is he who prays to the Lord to give us the 
right
> mood of humility and servitude such that we can know Peace and Joy 
in
> His Loving Hands. Since it is really the Acha:rya who is "doing 
all the
> work" in praying and interceding on our behalf, it could be said 
that we
> should be less concerned for prapatti as we should be for serving 
our
> Acha:rya in gratitude for all that he is doing for us. And, 
indeed, as
> one of our great works, Sri: Vachana Bhu:shanam tells us, if there
> really is a guaranteed method for achieving mo:ksha, it is serving 
the
> Acha:rya with faith and love.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Ramanuja dasan
> Mohan
> 
> 
> 
> k_madhusudhan22 wrote:
> 
> >>From my understanding the criterion required for Prapatti and
> >eventually Moksha are:
> >
> >1. Devotion only to Sriman Narayana
> >2. Refrain from Bhaagvadh Abacharaam
> >
> >Correct me if I am wrong, but because of the lord's "Daya"
> >Gunaa "anyone" can get Prapatti done.
> >
> >
> >So my question then:
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam
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