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Sri Parthasarathi thunai
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Dear Sri Venkatesh,
> Can you please clarify this. Is there an
> independence attributed on the
> part of the jeevAthmAs, who are originally slaves in
> nature. I don't think
> our AzhwArs have, in any place, spoken about this
> jeevaswAthanthryam. What
> I understood from these lines of yours is that the
> jeevAthmA is given a
> choice to select. This means that there is some
> swAthanthriyam on the part
> of jeevAthmA. How is that possible? Remember, Sri
> nammAzhwAr says, "en
> uNarvinuLLE irutthinEn". This looks like AzhwAr did
> something to bring Him
> in his thoughts. But immediately he says, "adhuvum
> avanadhinnaruLE". So
> every action of jeevAthmA is only because of
> emberumAn's sankalpam. So how
> is it that the jeevAthmA gets a choice and hence
> freedom?. Please clarify

Let me explain this to the best of my knowledge. If
there are errors the learned members may please
correct me.
Emperuman has two vibhutis the leela vibhuti and the
Nitya Vibhuthi. Both belongs to emperuman and he has
kept the leela vibhuti for his leelas. So now he
created the jeevatmas to play their roles in the leela
vibhuthi. He very well knows there are miseries in
this world. So if he has to decide then the problem of
the parent putting the child to difficulty will arise.
Then the divine quality of the emperuman will be
questioned. Let us explain it in this manner.
A father gets for his kid 2 toys one an attractive
game and other a knowledge kit. If the father says you
should not play with the game but improve your
knowledge with the other kit then the child will never
listen. And when the father keeps in front of the
child to choose anyone of it, it will naturally choose
only the game. But does the child know the advantages
and disadvantages of both? Absolutely no, it is
totally ignorant. But just by attraction it selects
the attractive game(the child may not even know to
play the game). So now the father leaves it in its own
way as it is a kid and preserves the knowledge kit for
future. So when the child becomes a little big it
realises the importance of knowledge. 

That is what even Emperuman does. Initially we are all
kids without any knowledge. So we donot realise the
importance of bhagavan or bhagavat kainkaryam. So he
allows us to play in this world. Slowly as the father
imparts knowledge to his child he teaches us the
miseries of the world and pulls us towards him. Though
a father is educated he sends his child to a school
and a different teacher. Similarly emperuman teaches
us through the acharyas and satsangams. When our
acharyas show us the right path we trive for
liberation and hence reach the lotus feet of
emperuman.
Nammazhvar was a born gyani. He was sent to this world
by emperuman to change us. So he was not like the 
other jeevatmas. So he realised that everything is
done only by the paramatma without any difficulty but
that was not the case even with Arjuna who was so
closed to Sri Krishna. He thought that he fought the
war. In the above example both the game and the kit
was got only by the father and the father is the
person who he going to teach the child how to play the
game and how to use the kit. But still he gives the
child the time to get tuned to use the kit. Similarly
though emperuman does everything he just gives us the
time to become matured. Again he can grant us the
knowledge in a second but then the leela vibhuti will
not be interesting and it will be same as the Nitya
Vibhuthi.
Hope my clarification is convincing

AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasyai
Sumithra Varadarajan 
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> Sri Parthasarathi thunai,
> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha
> 
> " Mattrondrum Venda Maname Madhilarangar
> Kattrinum meitha kazhalinai keezh- uttra
> Thirumaalai paadum seer Thondaradipodi
> Emperumaanai
> Eppozhudum peesu"
> 
> "Srimat Krishna samahvaya Namo yaamuna soonave
> yetkadakshai kalakshyanam sulabha: Sridara: sadaa"
> 
> Pranams,
> 
> "Manisarukkai Padadana Pattu" - Emperuman undergoes
> number of hardships for the sake of we Jeevatmas. 
> Let
> us now see what all hardships the emperuman
> undergoes.
> In the last posting we said that PVP starts the
> avadharikai with a question. Who a samsari is? Sri
> Periya vaachan pillai asks such a question because
> he
> doesn't belong to that category and wants to keep
> himself away from them. But all of us know who a
> samsari is. "Asaare Samsare Vishaya visha
> sangaakudiya:". The samsaris are always at the back
> of some vishayam(matter). Whenever we call them to
> bhagavat vishayam they have some way to say no. 
> They
> consider many more things important and highly
> urgent
> to be done when it comes to bhagavat vishayam. But
> saddhus like PVP considered the samsaaric pleasures
> to
> be equal to a poison which kills us little by
> little.
> Samsaaric pleasures are like a disease and only
> medicine to this disease is Emperuman and bhagavat
> vishayam. But leaving this medicine the samsaris
> prefer to drink the poison. But can the Emperuman
> who
> is the father of all simply see his children drink
> poison? So he by his apaara Kaarunyam tries to pull
> us out of this.
> 
> But if he says don't go at the back of samsaaric
> pleasures instead fall under my feet I will protect
> you then there is not even a single person to listen
> to him. When a child eats mud though we condemn its
> act it tends to eat but now without our knowledge. 
> So
> the mother now lets it to eat and also keeps the
> medicine necessary handy. When the child suffers
> she
> gives the medicine and teaches the child a lesson.
> Similarly we jeevatmas will never listen to advices
> so
> the emperuman lets us in our own way and then
> teaches
> us a lesson. But unfortunately even after a lot of
> miseries the vaasana of the jeevatmas still pulls
> him
> only towards the worldly pleasures and never turns
> his
> attention towards the bhagavan.
> So as Nammazhvar says "Maari Maari pala pirappum
> 
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