srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha srImadh varavara munayE namaha Dear Smt Sumitra, The worldly analogies cannot always be used to describe emberumAn's activities. He is "otthAr mikkArai ilayAya mAmAyan" and "eedum eduppum ilAdha eesan". There is a limit to which the worldly analogies and logic can be used to describe emberumAn's activities. The analogy provided by you is convincing though, to prove that there is a freedom to the jeevAthma. But, what I wanted to know was, is there any pAsuram by our AzhwArs', where this jeeva swAthanthryam is spoken of. Not to my knowledge. Well, I know only 2000 pAsuram. What I understood was that, this swAthanthryam is accepted only by the vadakalais, in order to get rid emberumAn of the "sarva mukthi prasanga" dOsham. If at all this is acceptable to us, surely this might have been emphasized by any AzhwAr or AchArya. Can learned members please throw light on this. AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh
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