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Sri Parthasarathi thunai
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Dear Sri Venkatesh, 
> The worldly analogies cannot always be used to describe emberumAn's 
> activities. He is "otthAr mikkArai ilayAya mAmAyan" and "eedum 
> eduppum ilAdha eesan". There is a limit to which the worldly 
> analogies and logic can be used to describe emberumAn's activities.

I do accept that Emperuman's leelas cannot be fully explained with 
the analogies of the world but our acharyas used the worldy analogies 
to make even the lay man understand the high arthas of the sastras. 
So the worldly analogies do provide us a lot of insight into the 
Bhagavat visayam and to tell you more all is created by bhagavan and 
everything has a link.

> The analogy provided by you is convincing though, to prove that 
there 
> is a freedom to the jeevAthma. But, what I wanted to know was, is 
> there any pAsuram by our AzhwArs', where this jeeva swAthanthryam 
is 
> spoken of. Not to my knowledge. Well, I know only 2000 pAsuram. 
What 
> I understood was that, this swAthanthryam is accepted only by the 
> vadakalais, in order to get rid emberumAn of the "sarva mukthi 
> prasanga" dOsham. If at all this is acceptable to us, surely this 
> might have been emphasized by any AzhwAr or AchArya. Can learned 
> members please throw light on this.

Again my point never proved that the jeevatma had free will. The 
bhagavan can always restrict us. What if bhagavan showed us only the 
Nitya vibhuti we will have no other option to choose. If in the 
example the father got the child only the knowledge kit the child is 
left with no other option but since the father wanted to entertain 
the child and build his maturity he got the game. Similarly bhagavan 
who wanted to develop the maturity of the jeevatmas and also wanted 
to keep up his leelas in this world showed the jeevatma both his 
vibhuti's knowing well that the jeevatmas will get attracted only to 
the leela vibhuti(vaasana bhalam) . Again Bhagavan has a hand behind 
it. He is only playing with us and we are not capable of doing 
anything with svathantriyam. Actually there is only a airline 
difference in these understandings of the vadagalais and tengalais. 
When we look in a neutral view adiyen feels we can understand better.
Again adiyen is not capable of providing you the appropriate 
paasurams. Hope some learned scholars can do the same.

Adiyen Ramanuja dasyai
Sumithra Varadarajan 
> AzhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam
> adiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan
> Thirumalai Vinjamoor Venkatesh





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