Dear Ramanuja SriVaishnavAs
Adiyen wish to clarify few things as this topic gone by multiple twists and bounds beyond imagination let me clarify adiyen's stance
1) Worshipping Demi Gods - Adiyen never commented that worshipping DevathAntharam is good or bad , Adiyen fully aware of Alwar's Thirukannapuram pAsuram and thats why I was quoting "AnanyArha Seshathvam kazhigai" , my claim was in fact its His sankalpam to make these people to worship those Gods , and for them to know the reality swaroopa sikshai got to happen "aduvum avanadu innarulE" , what I was insisting was we should never demean those worships. I fully agree that the means of this praching got to happen thru close friends, e-learning etc
2) Adiyen feels my interpretation of His Sankalpam and His Nirhethva Krupai got mis fed , had I made the mistake , let me apologize at bhAgavadA's Thiruvady , adiyen wish to state that any Good or Bad events still He is behind the screen as AntharyAmi and controls that too. (ofcourse I did not want to entangle much more in whats Good and Bad, as its a big thread by itself)
My reply on Nirhethva KrupA was mainly to answer your statement that He will shower His Nirhethva Grace on Sarnagathan surrender , where I quoted that then it can't be unconditional , so let we dont mix and match (Apples and Oranges)
3) Adiyen's comment on taking Onion /Garlic (you can add any movies and other items) etc , kidambi Soundararajan swamy you totally took this out of sphere and I want to refrain by adding more comments on this as its adding fuel to the fire , when I said our poorvAcharyas never commented on eating habits , pl have a pause and start thinking ! Sure you will do !! For them its the swaroopam thats more important like I am repeating the same
1) pArathanthriyam
2) bhAgavada Seshathvam (this will cut all your misdoings to others)
rather than telling your daily menu cards
4) Still I cant understand where our swamy Pillai UlagArian came in to picture in my statements .
Hope I have made my thoughts clear , sure would have caused some "apacharams" at bhAgavadA's thiruvady , adiyen's apologize for the same .
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
Gunaseelan
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 vimalkumar ranganathan wrote :
>Swamy,
> With all due respects, I guess you have got it wrong. Talking about a crude example, it is akin to Osama-Bin-Laden justifying everything as Allah's doing. Please don't mind me saying this, but after every suicide-bombing in Palestine, the terrorists will beam the video of the would-be suicidebomber recorded moments before the incident. Invariably, they would all say the same: It is "AllAh's order".
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> Please try to understand that Kripa means "grace", or "blessings". Sure, we all have his blessings; but his blessing doesn't sanction us to do whatever nonsense we wish to. The concept of Nirhetuka Kripa comes to action when one performs Saranagathi. For eating, sleeping, mating, defending, watching tv, talking trash, let us not invoke his "Kripa". If I have the blessings of my parents unconditionally, it doesn't mean that I have the right to do any nonsense. Please don't confuse Kripa with our mundane misdoings.
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> Your answer to my questions are invalid. Why should Swami PL go through all the pains to save the namperumAL and even leave his life in the process?? Well, why should our AchAryAs even write any works preaching our siddhAnthAm?? I am not talking "sAhetukA" here, I do definitely believe that it is because of His grace that we attain mOksha, but it is utter non-sense to say that I went to a B-grade movie because of "His grace", or Osama-Bin-Laden bombed the twintowers because of "His grace". Don't confuse apples with oranges.
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> Madhurakavi AzhwAr says, "nambinEn mada vArai munnellAm", then he says, "anbAnAi adiyEN sadhirthEn indre", he says because of nammAzhwAr's kripa, he got "saved", why should he be saved?? From whom should he be saved?? The idea of surrendering to nammazhwAr happened due to His grace, not the idea of going behind ladies.
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> Because of wrong notions such as these and lack of any standards, our sampradayam is just eroding. Kindly ask your AchAryan if it is ok to do any non-sense in the name of NirhEtuka Kripa.
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> Sure, you can not-do anything and remain stale totally dependent on the Lord's grace, that is another issue, but eating rubbish, talking rubbish, watching rubbish, etc and calling it "His grace" is an abomination.
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>-adiyen.
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>GunaVenkat <gunsee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Dear Vimalkumar Ranganathan Swamy
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>Thanks for asking such great queries , our sampradayam is the one where you have answer for each , as ours is the very much related to reality nothing illusionary.
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> >Please answer the following questions with your understanding of "nirhetuka kripa":
> >Can I go to a mundane masala movie filled with vulgarity and graphic violence?? Why not??
> >Can I practise polygamy?? Why not??
> >I loot $10,000 from work, and the same evening I chant the complete ThiruvAimozhi. Is that OK?
> >I took part in the Upadesa Rathna Malai goshti today and had wonderful dinner at a veg/non-veg restaurant the same evening. Is that OK??
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>The answer for all these are in one line " if He decides you have to do like that , you will do the same way" even if you wish to change the sequence you cant do that , his decision is the Sankalpa ,
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>Do you think all these are done by you , then His vyAbagam and Masetership /Seshy is under question? am I clear .
>There are lot of Alwar pAsurams where they say that its His krupai or sankalpa..
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>For Nirhethva Krupa its Alwar who clearly said that
>" veRidhE Arul Seyvar sevArgatku ugandu" TVM 8-7-8 its the punch for all your queries , the eedu vyAkyanam for this pAsuram is the class by itself .
>(Krupai not done with respect to any Saranagathy !!) check what we have to do the Saranagathy to him "kaimAru onrum illA" because all are His property , then next comes questions like what we should do etc
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>We used to hear that when He showers His KrupA , JeevathAma should accept that, "vilakAmai vendum" , nammAlwar clearly states that this is also Him who can imbibe that "vilakAmai" inside me , pl refer to the TVM Eedu AvathArigai for 10-9 ThirupEr nagar pAsurams.
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>Sorry I am not knowledgeful to translate all such eerach Sol to English ,
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>couple of options
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>Pl try to drop in to Washington DC for Nov 5th MM utsavam where we can discuss
>---- "ninthanakkum kuripAgil karkalAm kaviyin porul thAnE"
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>Else you please discuss with great scholars on this eedu vyAkyanam.
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>Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
>Guna
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>Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
>Gunaseelan Venkatachary
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