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Dear Sriman Venkatesan,

I agree with Sriman Padmanabhan on this.

The mUlam quoted by Smt Sheela also does not have any mention of 
SEshatvam specifically. 

SEsham means something which remains (for Him in our context) and 
such nature is SEshatvam. Our AchAryas have derived this as 
subservience, servitude etc., though the English words we choose may 
not be the best fit. This derviation is due to the fact that nothing 
can be superior or equal to Him. 

If we are SEshabhUtam for Him i.e. if we meaningfully remain for Him, 
we should not question whatever He wishes including those acts that 
are seemingly against our SEshatvam. Hence pAratantryam and SEshatvam 
are inter-linked. Thus pAratantryam makes our SEshatvam complete or 
perfect rather than destroying it or even tolerating its destruction.

This can be seen in "nivAsa SayyAsana..." SlOka of yAmuna where SEsha 
serves Him as abode, bed, throne, footwear, pillow, umbrella etc. 
Here it is important to note that all the objects mentioned are 
non-sentient, indicating pAratantryam without any ahankAram. Thus 
SEsha has complete SEshatvam. 

Then how do we interpret sUtra 92?

Dasan
Vishnu

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, TCA Venkatesan <vtca@xxxx> wrote:
> Dear Sri Vishnu,
> 
> sEshatvam is servitude. pAratantryam is complete
> dependence on the Lord.
> 
> I did not mean that pAratantryam destroys sEshatvam.
> What I meant was that pAratantryam would even tolerate
> the destruction of sEshatvam - if it were to happen.
> 
> That's what was also being said in the Mumukshuppadi
> sutra that Smt Sheela Belur quoted.
> 
> If the Lord so desires that He serve us (reversing
> the roles) or that we stop our service to Him, then
> a paratantra would accept even that - even though it
> goes against his sEsha svarUpam.
> 
> adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan
> 
> 
> --- Vishnu <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Sriman Venkatesan,
> > 
> > What is SEshatvam? How does pAratantryam destroy it?
> > 
> > Dasan
> > Vishnu
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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