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Wonderful! Dasohams.

Vishnu

--- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "pataps" <pataps@xxxx> wrote:
> srImathE rAmAnujAya namaha
> 
> Dear srI vishNu:
> 
> I was not planning on getting into this interesting thread, but 
> something you say below prompted me to post this (so, please 
forgive 
> me if there is some repetition of ideas from earlier posts).  Also, 
> this is a rather important point that is well delineated in 
> mumukshuppaDi.
> 
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Vishnu" <vsmvishnu@xxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Sriman Venkatesan,
> > 
> > I agree with Sriman Padmanabhan on this.
> > 
> > The mUlam quoted by Smt Sheela also does not have any mention of 
> > SEshatvam specifically. 
> .............................
> > Here it is important to note that all the objects mentioned are 
> > non-sentient, indicating pAratantryam without any ahankAram. Thus 
> > SEsha has complete SEshatvam. 
> > 
> > Then how do we interpret sUtra 92?
> 
> 
> Well, the mUlam does say it explicitly (starting with sutram No. 
86 )
> though you will need swAmy maNavALa mAmunikaL's vyAkhyAnam for No. 
> 92 to understand it (aside: there can never be any ambiguity in the 
> words of our pUrvAchAryas; such confusion is usually a 
manifestation 
> of our inability to comprehend:-).
> 
> Here is the vyAkhyAnam from Swamy vishada vAk shikAmaNi:
> 
> thanakkEyAga enRathai upapAdikkirAr (this is tirumantra prakaraNam, 
> and we are talking about the true meaning of namaha) - meaning, in 
> the previous sutram (91), swAmy PL says 
> 
> Eeshwaran thanakkEyAyirukkum, achitthu piRarRkEyAyirukkum, 
> Atma tanakkum piRakkum bothuvAyirukkumenRu muRpaTTaninaivu, 
> agnyananRikkE
> 
> ******tanakkEyAga enaikkoLLavENum engirathu namassAl*****
> 
> (vyAkhyAnam - just the last part which is the essential message of 
> this sUtram - 'swAtantramE swaroopamAna Eeswaran swArtha paranAy 
> irukkum; chaitanyarahitamAkaiyAlE tanakkengaikku yOgyatai inRikkE 
> pAratantra swaroopAmAyirukkum achitthu parArthamAy irukkum; 
> chaturthiyil sonna sEshatvathaiyum, makArathil sonna 
> gnyAtrutvathaiyumuDaiyanAna Atma, gnyAtrutva balathAlE 
> swArthathaikkum, *sEshatva* balaththAlE parArthataikkum 
> pothuvAyirukkumenRu namassukku poorva padathiRpiRantha 
> prathipaththi; appaDianRikkE, (this is important) parArthathai 
> EkavEshamAna achithuppOlE *thanakkEyAgavenaikkOLLumeethE* 
> engirapaDiyE aththalaikkE rasamAmpaDi viniyOgam koLLa vENum 
> enRapEkshikkiRathu innamassAlE engai)
> 
> swAmy mamunikaL says that pArathanthryam is the true manifest 
> expression for sEshatvam;  If we understand our sEshatvam, then we 
> exist as parathantras; parArthathai Eka vEshamAna achitthuppOlE - a 
> desired manifestation of our sEshatvam finds its complete 
expression 
> in 'achitvat pAratantryam' - paDIyAykkidandhu un pavaLa vAy 
kANbEne -
>  meaning, pAratantryam (and His swaroopam as sEshi) supersedes a 
> perceived conflict stemming from gnyAtrutvam - awareness.
> 
> Now, let us look at No. 92:
> 
> bhOga dashaiyil Eeswaran azhikkumpOthu nOkkavENum enRu 
> azhiyAthozhigai (this is very subtle, so we need the vyAkhyAnam)
> 
> periya jeeyar's vyAkhyAnam (just the relevant part):
> 
> thannODE kalandu parimArum dashaiyil bhOktAvAna Eeswaran
> *ATkoLvAnoththennu yiruNDA mAyan* engirapaDiyE
> aDimaikkoLvAraippOlE pugundhu
> than vyAmOhaththAlE thAzh ninRu parimAri iththalaiyil
> sEshathvaththai azhikkumpOdhu
> 'nam sEshatvaththai nAm nOkka vENum'
> enRu naichchyam bhAvithirAyththu
> avan bhOgaththai azhiyAthozhigai yengai
> 
> achitvat pAaratantryam when we internalize sEshatvam to the point 
> that His enjoyment supersedes everything we are; in which case, ** 
> avan bhOgaththai azhiyAthozhigai**, His enjoyment is supreme, and 
we 
> should show pArathantryam that is quintessential sEshatvam, we will 
> be His master in His servitude, for His enjoyment, not for one 
> moment should we allow our naicchyam to leave our awareness.
> 
> Clearly, it is very difficult to translate the magnificent phrasing 
> of swAmy maNavALa mAmunikaL; but the idea is very clear, that 
> pAratantryam is the true representation of sEshatvam.
> 
> aDiyEn rAmAnuja dAsan,
> 
> sridhar
> 
> Note: I am sure that my translation is filled with errors and
> transgressions for which I ask for forgiveness from the learned 
> bhAgavathas; the only way to understand these ideas is to learn 
from 
> an Acharya (or through kAlakshEpams at the feet of erudite 
> bhAgavathas such as srI ES BhoovarAhan Swamy or srI velukkudi 
> krishnan swamy); the written english medium is grossly inadequate 
in 
> communicating the subtlety of phrasing and profundity of ideas 
> replete in the words of our poorvAchAryas.




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