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Sri Vijyaraghavan Swmay,

2 points I want to clarify here.
Bhagavan as 'Mama' of Skanda (Muruga) is all false.
No where in the puranas (Incl. Tamasic puranas), written by Vedavyasa , it
is mentioned.

Second misconception is about Parvathi and Durga. Parvathi is NOT SAME AS
DURGA.
Durga is the 'Yoga Maya' and the elder sister of Krishna as per Srimad
Bhagavatam and Sri Vishnu Puranam.
On the other hand, Parvathi was born to Daksha and later to Himavan. who
married Paramasivan. No where connection between these 2 are established
in
older puranas.

It is only the later versions of the Saktha religions, which has confused
this issue. Even the the original Saktha religion does not believe this..
The only that later version of Saktha religion as  propounded by
Advaitins, this lie was made a truthful statement, by repeatedly saying
this.

 Due to this confusion, Tamilians started calling
Subramanya (Muruga) as 'Mal Maruga'(or Nephew  of Sri Vishnu)

Second issue is with Vinayaga. Again, a famous misconception of Vinayaga
writing the Sri Mahabharata. This information is no where in
Sri Mahabrataha. this is only in 'Puranas' written later in different
languages.(Not original Puranas of Sri Vedavysa)

Famous for its lies is 'Kanda Puranam' written in Tamil few centuries
back.
There is a popular saying in Tamil('Enthe Pulugum Kanda Purananathile')
meaning, you can find any lies in kanda puranam.

Vinaya worship was no where part of original Hindu worship. This cannot be
said for other worship like ParamaSivan, or Skanda.
Paramasivan and Skanda, Durga are all Vedic Gods who had sure powers and
glorified  in Vedic statements, puranas.

On the other hand, Vinayaka worship came in to South only after Chalykya
empire was burnt down by Narasimha Varma Pallava.
One of the 63 Nayanmars, called as 'Siru Thondar' (one the cheiftains of
Palllava) saw a 'Ganesha' idol in Vatapi admist fire and destruction.
His mind changed and his perception changed towards war and destruction..
He installed  the 'Vatapi Ganapathi' to south india and became a
'Siru Thondar' . Rest is history..

Ganapathi as 'Muzhu mudal Kadavul' etc. are all False.

Also you see the 'Suklam barathram' slogam, some people conveniently
ignore the last 2 lines which clearly establishes, it is not a prayer to
Ganapathi.

Even the 'Vinayagar Agaval' was not wriiten by Avviyar as it is claimed..
during Avvaiyar times, there was no Vinayaga worship prevelant.

Sorry for a long mail.

Dasan
Regards
KM Narayanan







Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan@xxxxxxxxx> on 09/21/2004 07:45:52 PM

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Subject:    Re: [ramanuja] Please console me  (if possible)....

Swamin,

Pls note that emperuman, cannot be belittled by all this.

Remember one pasuram by Nammazhwar

Avar avar irayavar kuraivilar nirayavar
avar avar vidivazhi adaya nindranare.

dasan/raghavan

bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

                            shri:
              Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam

Dear bhagavatas

Pranams.

Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before my father had left
this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the stubbornness of
ananya)  bhakthi to our Almighty.
(Our family tradition of  stubbornness)

Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha ?. Please Don't get upset?

Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto

I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans in Richmond hill
(Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at random without
any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts bulbs like wal-
mart.

I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see
that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in
the form of holy-Swan flying up ?. and our almighty In the form of
Boar trying to go down and  in the center of which Shiva is there.
They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma
tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and the
other tail.  (Where in the Vedas they found this rubbishness ?)

What is your word on this ?   It is totally contradicting entire
Thiruvaaimozhi ?

Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X ) :  (Naadi neer
vanangum
deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan  ,Odi Odi palapirappum piranthu
marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu?. )  , Also ?. In the same
centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku  kandu konmin.." Also
in reference 1.2.X,
Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra  Nanrelil naranan
naanmugan Aran Yennum ?.
Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA

Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha keerthiyaar.
Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta

Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : -

Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this  "Skanda ? Skanda thara
duryo varado ?."

When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and lived with ego in
this ego-centric world[until recently],  I remember I used watch
movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with a old projectors
after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our almighty comes to Mr
Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because our
almighty ,Indra
and other  Devaas requested this kutty vaandu (Lord Murugan) he went
on a  war with Soorapadman?  (similarly for Vinayaka movies too).

I have some slokas engraved in my heart, (man-manaa bhava mad-
bhakato, mad-karma
Krit?) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will get eroded !!!

Please tell me a word or two so that I can console myself. I am not
here to advise them
Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey ?..4.10.X ( so I can gently
smile to those people )

Adiyaen

   Sadagopan Daasan.








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