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Dear bhagavathAs,

adiyEn will try to prove that Sriman Narayanan
is parantattvam by using paasurams from 
Thirumazhisai Alwar who is best to condemn
all other sAshtrAs.

adiyEn will now try to give some pasurams which 
conforms the supremeness, parantattvam of Sriman
Narayanan.

1)In pasuram 53: (nAnmugam thiruvanthAthi)

?...................- pollAtha
thEvaraith thEvarallAraith thiruvillAth
thEvaraith thErElmin thEvu.?

In the above pasuram, Alwar states that, he wont
consider others as ?dEvar? or ?deivam?, because 
they dont have any sampandham with Sri Devi Naachiyar.

The person who had sampandham with Sri Mahalaksmi
is none other than Sriman Narayanan, is considered
to be ?deivam? or ?dEvar?. Others including
?brahma-rudrAdhigal? aren't considered as
?deivam or dEvar?.

Now, the saivites starts refusing Alwar by saying
that, ?You state that, only Narayanan is deivam,
others aren't. Then the sAshtrAs says that, your
lord is one of person who born along with Indran as 
UpEndran during Vaama Avataram, and one among
trimurtis ?brahma-vishnu-rudran?. Then the dosha's
for the brahma-rudrAdhi's wont comes to your lord
also? Because, vishnu is also one dEvar among the
brahma-rudrAdhi's.?

To this question, now Thirumazhisai Alwar refutes
clearly in his 54 Pasuram in nAnmugam thiruvanthAthi.

2.paasuram 54

?thEvarAi  niRkumath-thEvum  ath-thEvaril
moovarAi niRkum muthupunarppum ? yaavarAi
niRkindrathellAm nedumAlen rOrAthAr
karginRa thellAm kadai.?

The alwar says that ?even though HE born as brother 
to Indran and stood as one dEvar among trimurti's,
it is true that HE is antharyAmi to brhama-rudhrAdhi's
which is explained by Vishnu Puraanam as

?srushtisdhithyanthakaranIm  brahmavishnusivAthmikAm |
sa samj~nam yaathi bhagavAnEga  Eva  janArthdhana: ||
?
                           [Vishnu Puranam 1.2-66 ]

muthpunarppum ? old avathAram of Sriman Narayanan;
muthu ? old ;  punarppu ? sankalpam ;
It means that it's an avataram due to HIS sankalpam. 
Not like others as due to their karmam, they took
birth
which is stated in Purusha Sooktam as follows:

?thripAthUrdhva udhaith purusha: padhOsyEhAbhavAth 
puna:?
                               [Purusha Sooktam]

Even in Gita Lord Krishna says that HE took birth due 
to HIS sankalpa roopa gna~nam. ?sambhavAmyAthmamAyayA?

Eventhough HE stood one among trimUrti's, HE is none 
other than avatAram of Parama Purushan Sriman 
Narayanan. 

In next word - ?yaavarAi nirkinrathellAm? -alwar
proves
that as a Parantattvam, HE stood to withhold all the 
chethanAs' and sarva pathArthangal like dEvar, 
manushyar, thiryak, sthAvaram, etc., Apart from HIM, 
emperuman is in all other things which is different 
from HIS roopam, qualities, etc., through ?vyApakam?
HE gives roopam, naamam to all those things which 
different from HIM. HE only born as Upendran, Vishnu 
among trimurti's.

1.thEvarAi  niRkumath-thEvum ? born as Upendran,    
brother to Indran during Vaamana Avataram

2.moovarAi niRkum muthupunarppum ? old avataram of 
Sriman Narayanan as Vishnu among trimurti's

3.yaavarAi niRkindrathellAm  ?  all other things which

got its saththai, roopam, naamam, et.c,

4.nedumAlE     --   all the above are only Sriman 
Narayanan, sarvEshwaran, paramporul;

Even though HE stood as one thEvar among Indran, 
eventhough HE is one among trimurti's, ---- HE is none

other than the sarvEshwaran Sriman Narayanan, who 
withstands in all chethanAchEshtithangal to provide 
saththai, roopam, naamam etc., 

5. enrOrAthAr karginRa thellAm kadai -- If you don't 
know this, then what you have learned so far is waste.


Thus through the above paasuram, Thirumazhisai alwar
clearly proves the parantattvam of Sriman Narayanan 
even though HE stood as thEvar one among trimurti's.

This paasuram is to CONDEMN those, who think that
HE is one among trimurti's and equivalent to others.

adiyEn,
senthil.b

Note: Suggestions and comments are Welcome!!!!!



> 
> \--- kannan_mukundam <kannan_mukundam@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > Adiyen all Bhagavatas,
> > 
> >  I heard comments from some Shaivaties that ..in
> > Bhagavata
> > purana..while churning the milk ocean..when
> Halahala
> > appeared..all
> > devatas along with Vishnu went to Shiva and prayed
> > Shiva as follows:
> > 
> > 29. O lord, the five important Vedic mantras are
> > represented by your
> > five faces, from which the thirty-eight most
> > celebrated Vedic mantras
> > have been generated. Your Lordship, Lord Siva, you
> > are self-
> > illuminated. You are directly situated as the
> > supreme truth, known as
> > Paramatma.
> > 
> > 31. O Lord Girisa, since the impersonal Brahman
> > effulgence is
> > transcendental to the material modes of goodness,
> > passion and
> > ignorance, the various directors of this material
> > world certainly
> > cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It
> is
> > not
> > understandable even to Lord Brahma, Lord Visnu or
> > the King of heaven,
> > Mahendra.
> > 
> > 
> >  And also they claimed that Vishnu also born from
> > Soma , they
> > provided some Rigvedic mantras:
> > 
> > sómaH pavate janitaá matiinaáM janitaá divó
> janitaá
> > pRthivyaáH
> > janitaágnér janitaá suúryasya janiténdrasya
> janitótá
> > víSNoH
> > 
> > 9.096.05 The Soma flows, the father of holy hymns,
> > the father of
> > heaven, the father of the earth, the father of
> Agni,
> > the father of
> > the sun, the fatherwho begot Indra and Vis.n.u.
> > 
> >  They are claiming Shiva is supreme being, please
> > let me know any of
> > you that how can I refute these people who are
> > decreasing Narayana's
> > supremacy and they making there is some one else
> > partvam then
> > Narayana .
> > 
> >  I am eagerly waiting for your replies..
> > 
> > Adiyen
> > Kannan.M
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>               
>
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