Dear Swamin:
your thanks are due to HIM only, not to adiyEn. Adiyen
is poor in sampradhAyam knowledge and jn~aanam.
Adiyen always prays for HIS krupA and HIS bhaagavada
sampandham.
senthil.b
--- pratyagatma <kannan_mukundam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Senthil,
>
> Thank you very much to spend your time to
> enlighten me.
>
> Yes, I got the answers to all of my doubtm, and
> now my ignorance
> is removed.
>
> I got the answer for even Bhagavata Shlokas,
> where Shiva was
> praised during churning of milk ocean (Those
> prasings were by
> Devathas and just to make him ready for swallowing
> the poison, and
> whatever the Puranic statemnt contradicts with
> Shruthi is not the
> valid truth.)
>
> And I came to know that Rudra is also a jeeva (his
> sinful birth
> stated by Sathapatha Brahmana and many other
> Upanishads cleared
> that .)
>
> There are many quotes in Upanishds which reveal
> Narayana as
> paramAtma (and the NArAyaNa can't be associated with
> any other deity
> other than Lakshmi pathy as per Panini grammar, this
> is enough to
> refute all other vadaas).
>
> Bhallaveya Shrthi is very clear that mentions all
> names are
> primarily belong to Vishnu , so wherever Shruthi
> explains Brahman
> with other
> names(Rudra,Shamhu,Shiva,Indra,Hiranyagarbha etc.,)
> those
> refer to Narayan only, otherwise nobody can
> interpret the Vedas
> without contradictions.
>
> Purusha Suktham is very clear that mentions
> "HrEschatE ,
> LakshmIscha patnyaow" (Parama purusha has wives
> Bhoodevi and Lakshmi
> devi ).
>
> And there are no.of Upanishad vakyAs to prove
> Sreeman Narayana's
> paratvam without any doubt.
>
> "yasya tathA kapyAsam pudarIkamEvamakshiNI" , it
> clearly tells that
> Paramtma has the two(AkshinI is in dviteeya samasam)
> beutiful lotus
> like eyes (which proves Brahman is not Rudra who has
> three eyes
> ("tryaksha soola pAnih"), not Brahma who has four
> heads and 8 eyes .
>
> Narayana is "apahatapApmA divyo deva Eko Narayana"
> , who has no sins
> (no karma), where as Rudra is "anapahatpApma" ,
> clearly tells Rudra
> is also under Karma bondage like any other jeeva.
> (so he is not even
> avtara of Narayana).
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Adiyen.
> Kannan
>
>
>
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, senthil b
> <b_senthil2002@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear bhagavathAs,
> >
> > adiyEn will try to prove that Sriman Narayanan
> > is parantattvam by using paasurams from
> > Thirumazhisai Alwar who is best to condemn
> > all other sAshtrAs.
> >
> > adiyEn will now try to give some pasurams which
> > conforms the supremeness, parantattvam of Sriman
> > Narayanan.
> >
> > 1)In pasuram 53: (nAnmugam thiruvanthAthi)
> >
> > "...................- pollAtha
> > thEvaraith thEvarallAraith thiruvillAth
> > thEvaraith thErElmin thEvu."
> >
> > In the above pasuram, Alwar states that, he wont
> > consider others as "dEvar" or "deivam", because
> > they dont have any sampandham with Sri Devi
> Naachiyar.
> >
> > The person who had sampandham with Sri Mahalaksmi
> > is none other than Sriman Narayanan, is considered
> > to be "deivam" or "dEvar". Others including
> > "brahma-rudrAdhigal" aren't considered as
> > "deivam or dEvar".
> >
> > Now, the saivites starts refusing Alwar by saying
> > that, "You state that, only Narayanan is deivam,
> > others aren't. Then the sAshtrAs says that, your
> > lord is one of person who born along with Indran
> as
> > UpEndran during Vaama Avataram, and one among
> > trimurtis "brahma-vishnu-rudran". Then the dosha's
> > for the brahma-rudrAdhi's wont comes to your lord
> > also? Because, vishnu is also one dEvar among the
> > brahma-rudrAdhi's."
> >
> > To this question, now Thirumazhisai Alwar refutes
> > clearly in his 54 Pasuram in nAnmugam
> thiruvanthAthi.
> >
> > 2.paasuram 54
> >
> > "thEvarAi niRkumath-thEvum ath-thEvaril
> > moovarAi niRkum muthupunarppum ? yaavarAi
> > niRkindrathellAm nedumAlen rOrAthAr
> > karginRa thellAm kadai."
> >
> > The alwar says that "even though HE born as
> brother
> > to Indran and stood as one dEvar among trimurti's,
> > it is true that HE is antharyAmi to
> brhama-rudhrAdhi's
> > which is explained by Vishnu Puraanam as
> >
> > "srushtisdhithyanthakaranIm
> brahmavishnusivAthmikAm |
> > sa samj~nam yaathi bhagavAnEga Eva janArthdhana:
> ||
> > "
> > [Vishnu Puranam 1.2-66
> ]
> >
> > muthpunarppum ? old avathAram of Sriman Narayanan;
> > muthu ? old ; punarppu ? sankalpam ;
> > It means that it's an avataram due to HIS
> sankalpam.
> > Not like others as due to their karmam, they took
> > birth
> > which is stated in Purusha Sooktam as follows:
> >
> > "thripAthUrdhva udhaith purusha: padhOsyEhAbhavAth
>
> > puna:"
> > [Purusha Sooktam]
> >
> > Even in Gita Lord Krishna says that HE took birth
> due
> > to HIS sankalpa roopa gna~nam.
> "sambhavAmyAthmamAyayA"
> >
> > Eventhough HE stood one among trimUrti's, HE is
> none
> > other than avatAram of Parama Purushan Sriman
> > Narayanan.
> >
> > In next word - "yaavarAi nirkinrathellAm" -alwar
> > proves
> > that as a Parantattvam, HE stood to withhold all
> the
> > chethanAs' and sarva pathArthangal like dEvar,
> > manushyar, thiryak, sthAvaram, etc., Apart from
> HIM,
> > emperuman is in all other things which is
> different
> > from HIS roopam, qualities, etc., through
> "vyApakam"
> > HE gives roopam, naamam to all those things which
> > different from HIM. HE only born as Upendran,
> Vishnu
> > among trimurti's.
> >
> > 1.thEvarAi niRkumath-thEvum ? born as Upendran,
>
> > brother to Indran during Vaamana Avataram
> >
> > 2.moovarAi niRkum muthupunarppum ? old avataram of
>
> > Sriman Narayanan as Vishnu among trimurti's
> >
> > 3.yaavarAi niRkindrathellAm ? all other things
> which
> >
> > got its saththai, roopam, naamam, et.c,
> >
> > 4.nedumAlE -- all the above are only Sriman
> > Narayanan, sarvEshwaran, paramporul;
> >
>
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