Dear Sri Sukumar: The subject has been dealt with in the Chapter 23 "Greatness of Bhagavad Ramanuja Darsanam" in my book "Hinduism Rediscovered" which will answer all your questions. If after reading, you still have doubts, please feel free to contact me. Dasoham Anbil Ramaswamy ============================================================== Dear Sri Aravind, Thanks for this post clearly elucidating various aspects. If you are not put to inconvenience, I need to know following details: 1. Do dvaithins deny parts of vedas? I was given to understand that Sri Madhwacharya's works are based entirely on Sri Veda Vyasa's soothras. In fact, Acharya declares that his guru is Veda Vyasa himself. In his works he quotes not only from brahma soothras, but all the puranas written by Vyasa simply declaring that all the works of Vyasa are authoritative and is in sync with what veda says. In this scenario, how can he discard parts of veda. Can you pls let me know. 2. While you have clarified on smrithi being pramanas of vedas, I want to know where Upanishads stand. Many upanishads are crux of dialogues between a sage and his sishya. In this context, I want to know why we call them shrutis, in the backdrop of shruti being apourusheya. 3. You have referred Rudra's kainkaryam to Narayana through propogation of paasupatamatam. Can you please elaborate on the same as to what is paasupatamatam and also the events behind apacharam to gautama maharshi. 4. What is mohana saastra pravachanam. Is it a sloka? On who this is recited? 5. Can you let me know on Shiva's authorisation of Mantrarajapada stotram and his surrendering. Is this mentioned in smritis? 6. Coming to Adishankara, as far as I read texts on him, he has glorified all gods, travelling from south to north, and Bhajagovindam is a part of his various works. His siddhantham as we know is advaitha, which denounces saguna brahman and glorifies nirguna brahman. If he has glorified Narayana, at the same time, he also glorified others - shiva, shanmukha, durga etc. Unlike other Jagadgurus - Sri Ramanuja, Sri Madhwacharya he has glorified all gods and then finally said - sarvam kalvidam brahma. I want to know exactly where he says that Parabrahman is indeed only Narayana. He might have said "Narayana paro vyakthath" which Sri Prabhupada quotes in his work, but he said many things on other devathas. Finally I am asking these just to gain knowledge but not for anything else. Being a Krishnabhaktha I don't have any doubts about what Sri Ramanuja, Sri Madhwa, Sri Vedantha Desika, Sri Raghavendra Theertha say and when they say Vishnu is the Supreme, that's it. Thanks Sukumar -----Original Message----- From: Aravind Gopalan [mailto:balaji_gop@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:39 AM To: Rajaram Venkataramani Cc: srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SriRangaSri] Re: SrI: Answers to Srivenkataramani's questions. For other members : for continuity , pls read my previous email titled "Swami Desikan's view on chanting rudram Ref: Re [SriRangaSri] chanting Rudram......" 1) Yes, Rudram is chanted by srivaishnavas , as explained ELABORATELY in my previous two emails. Why only rudram? All vedic bhagams including karma kandam is recited by srivaishnava's as glory of sriman narayana! there is no question about that. there is no part of vedam thats is discarded by Bhagavad Ramanuja sishyas unlike Advaithis and dvaithis. 2) Sandilya smriti is NOT vedas. Vedas are sruthis. Smrithis are explanations of great maharishis based on their conclusion on vedas. They are accepted as pramana by all the schools of vedanta. Rudra's temple was equated to dead body because of its ill effects for a paramaikanthi. Paramaikanti is jnani! He should not be deviated from his sole objective that is sriman narayana. Association with anyadevatha will always turn one towards samsaram only. These are NOT just conclusions of srivaishanva acharyas but by great Maharishis who were unbiased. This was also explained in detail by Sri Krishna in Srimad Bhagavad Gita. This is was not told to bring disgrace to Rudra. It is a fact that was explanied. Even the mohana saastra pravachanam of Rudra is to disuade those who did apacharam to goutama maharishi. He started propagating paasupatamatam to disuade them. Due to their dreadful karma many people also started to follow the same. So this is done by Rudra as a kainkaryam to sriman narayana. Punishing assura prakruthis is a kainkaryam given to him by sriman narayana! Still Siva as "Ahirbudhya" has refrained from mohana saastra pravachanam and beautifully explaines the Paratvam of sriman Narayana and that he is the only person to be worshipped and surrendered. This he explains in his elaborate and most beautiful "Ahirbudhya samhitai". Swami Desikan glorifies this samhitai to a great extent. Infact in moolamantra adhikaram to explain a particular padam swami desikan quoted ahibudya samhitai extensively. It is well known that Mantrarajapada stotram was authored by shiva where he glorifies and surrenders unto sriman narayana. The paratvam of sriman Narayana was not questioned by Adi sankara. A paramaikanti knows what he should do. Mere "kaanthis" need not worry about them. Also knowing why a paramaikanti has such an acharam will give nothing to non-paramaikanti and non- ekanthis. Anway, let us conclude this topic and move on. There won't be much return in learning thro' web! sri rama told " Sookshma: parama durjnaya:". These doubts are to be learnt from a srivaishnava sadacharyan by obediently prostrating to him and requesting him to explain the same. All the best! Aravind G. --- Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Sri Aravind - > > Thanks for the post and the nice explanation > provided by Sri U. Ve. S. Swami. Do Sri Vaishnavas > actually chant Rudram as a glorification of Sriman > Narayana ? If not, why not ? > > Where in Vedas does Sandilya Smrti occur ? Is there > any explanation provided why this smrti considers > Siva's temple to be as impure as a dead body ? > > Best Regards > Rajaram V. > Aravind Gopalan <balaji_gop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > SrimathE Nigamantha Mahadesikaya Nama: > > SrimathE Sundara Sowmyanarayanaya Mahadesikaya Nama: > > SrimathE Ramanujaya Mahadesikaya Nama: > > SrimathE Sowmyanarayana Mahadesikaya Nama: Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/VkWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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