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Dear Sri Sukumar:
The subject has been dealt with in the Chapter  23 "Greatness of Bhagavad 
Ramanuja Darsanam" in my book "Hinduism Rediscovered" which will answer all 
your questions. If after reading, you still have doubts, please feel free to 
contact me.
Dasoham
Anbil Ramaswamy
==============================================================
Dear Sri Aravind,

Thanks for this post clearly elucidating various aspects.  If you are not
put to inconvenience, I  need to know following details:

1.  Do dvaithins deny parts of vedas?  I was given to understand that Sri
Madhwacharya's works are based entirely on Sri Veda Vyasa's soothras.  In
fact, Acharya declares that his guru is Veda Vyasa himself.  In his works he
quotes not only from brahma soothras, but all the puranas written by Vyasa
simply declaring that all the works of Vyasa are authoritative and is in
sync with what veda says.  In this scenario, how can he discard parts of
veda.  Can you pls let me know.

2. While you have clarified on smrithi being pramanas of vedas, I want to
know where Upanishads stand.  Many upanishads are crux of dialogues between
a sage and his sishya.  In this context, I want to know why we call them
shrutis, in the backdrop of shruti being apourusheya.

3.  You have referred Rudra's kainkaryam to Narayana through propogation of
paasupatamatam.  Can you please elaborate on the same as to what is
paasupatamatam and also the events behind apacharam to gautama maharshi.

4.      What is mohana saastra pravachanam.  Is it a sloka?  On who this is
recited?

5.  Can you let me know on Shiva's authorisation of Mantrarajapada stotram
and his surrendering.  Is this mentioned in smritis?

6.  Coming to Adishankara, as far as I read texts on him, he has glorified
all gods, travelling from south to north, and Bhajagovindam is a part of his
various works.  His siddhantham as we know is advaitha, which denounces
saguna brahman and glorifies nirguna brahman. If he has glorified Narayana,
at the same time, he also glorified others - shiva, shanmukha, durga etc.
Unlike other Jagadgurus - Sri Ramanuja, Sri Madhwacharya he has glorified
all gods and then finally said - sarvam kalvidam brahma.  I want to know
exactly where he says that Parabrahman is indeed only Narayana.  He might
have said "Narayana paro vyakthath" which Sri Prabhupada quotes in his work,
but he said many things on other devathas.


Finally I am asking these just to gain knowledge but not for anything else.
Being a Krishnabhaktha I don't have any doubts about what Sri Ramanuja, Sri
Madhwa, Sri Vedantha Desika, Sri Raghavendra Theertha say and when they say
Vishnu is the Supreme, that's it.


Thanks
Sukumar



-----Original Message-----
From: Aravind Gopalan [mailto:balaji_gop@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:39 AM
To: Rajaram Venkataramani
Cc: srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SriRangaSri] Re:


SrI:

Answers to Srivenkataramani's questions.

For other members : for continuity , pls read my
previous email titled "Swami Desikan's view on
chanting rudram Ref: Re [SriRangaSri] chanting
Rudram......"

1) Yes, Rudram is chanted by srivaishnavas , as
explained ELABORATELY in my previous two emails. Why
only rudram? All vedic bhagams including karma kandam
is recited by srivaishnava's as glory of sriman
narayana! there is no question about that. there is no
part of vedam thats is discarded by Bhagavad Ramanuja
sishyas unlike Advaithis and dvaithis.


2) Sandilya smriti is NOT vedas. Vedas are sruthis.
Smrithis are explanations of great maharishis based on
their conclusion on vedas. They are accepted as
pramana by all the schools of vedanta.

Rudra's temple was equated to dead body because of its
ill effects for a paramaikanthi. Paramaikanti is
jnani! He should not be deviated from his sole
objective that is sriman narayana. Association with
anyadevatha will always turn one towards samsaram
only. These are NOT just conclusions of  srivaishanva
acharyas but by great Maharishis who were unbiased.
This  was also explained in detail by Sri Krishna in
Srimad Bhagavad Gita. This is was not told to bring
disgrace to Rudra. It is a fact that was explanied.
Even the mohana saastra pravachanam of Rudra is to
disuade those who did apacharam to goutama maharishi.
He started propagating paasupatamatam to disuade them.
Due to their dreadful karma many people also started
to follow the same. So this is done by Rudra as a
kainkaryam to sriman narayana. Punishing assura
prakruthis is a kainkaryam given to him by sriman
narayana!

Still Siva as "Ahirbudhya" has refrained from mohana
saastra pravachanam and beautifully explaines the
Paratvam of sriman Narayana and that he is the only
person to be worshipped and surrendered. This he
explains in his elaborate and most beautiful
"Ahirbudhya samhitai". Swami Desikan glorifies this
samhitai to a great extent. Infact in moolamantra
adhikaram to explain a particular padam swami desikan
quoted ahibudya samhitai extensively.

It is well known that Mantrarajapada stotram was
authored by shiva where he glorifies and surrenders
unto sriman narayana.

The paratvam of sriman Narayana was not questioned by
Adi sankara.
A paramaikanti knows what he should do. Mere
"kaanthis"  need not worry about them. Also knowing
why a paramaikanti has such an acharam will give
nothing to non-paramaikanti and non- ekanthis.

Anway, let us conclude this topic and move on. There
won't be much return in learning thro' web! sri rama
told " Sookshma: parama durjnaya:". These doubts are
to be learnt from a srivaishnava sadacharyan by
obediently prostrating to him and requesting him to
explain the same.


All the best!

Aravind G.





--- Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Sri Aravind -
>
> Thanks for the post and the nice explanation
> provided by Sri U. Ve. S. Swami. Do Sri Vaishnavas
> actually chant Rudram as a glorification of Sriman
> Narayana ?  If not, why not ?
>
> Where in Vedas does Sandilya Smrti occur ? Is there
> any explanation provided why this smrti considers
> Siva's temple to be as impure as a dead body ?
>
> Best Regards
> Rajaram V.
> Aravind Gopalan <balaji_gop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> SrimathE Nigamantha Mahadesikaya Nama:
>
> SrimathE Sundara Sowmyanarayanaya Mahadesikaya Nama:
>
> SrimathE Ramanujaya Mahadesikaya Nama:
>
> SrimathE Sowmyanarayana Mahadesikaya Nama:





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