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Dear Bhagavathas,
 
I am placing this appeal received from the Sri Vilakkoli Thoopul Vedantha 
Desikan Sravanam Trust.
 
This trust was formed in the year 1960 by Late Srirama Dasarathy Swamy 
affectionetly called as Dasarathy Mama Who is well to all Asthikas in Thondai 
Mandalam and to all over Sri Vaishnavas throughout the world. His selfless 
service to our community is a fact which needs no publicity.
 
The various activities of the trust are listed below.
 
1. All the Uthsavams for Swami Desikan at Thoopul are performed by the Trust 
only,
 
2. Swami Desikan Sravana Purapadu, Thirumanjanam for Vilakoli Perumal and 
Acharyan, Veda. Prabanda Parayanam and Sathumari and prasada deistribution were 
done by the trust.
 
3.Puratasi Swami Desika Bramhotsavam for 10 days including vahana purapadu both 
moring and eveing, Thirumanjam, Veda-prabanda Sathumurai, Thadiyarathanai both 
morning and eveing.
 
4. Mangalasasana Uthsavam on Puratasi Sravanam in a grand scale at Vilakoli 
Perumal temple as well as Lord Devathiraja Temple.
 
5. Monthly Sravanam and ten days festival at Desikan sannadi at Lord Varadaraja 
Temple.
 
6. Presenting Veshti (10X6) to about Vedic Scholars at Thoopul on the day of 
GARUDA SEVA OF LORD VARADARAJA.
 
7. Grand Purappadu of Swami Deikan on Vaikasi Sravanam Day in the "MANGALAGIRI 
OF LORD VARADARAJA'. 
 
8.  Punniyakoti Uthsavam of Lord Varadaraja is performed by the trust.
 
9.  Anustanakulam Uthsavam Madapapodi at Thoopul of Lord Varadaraja along with 
Bashyakar
 
10. Nithyaradhanam for Lord Varadarajan on Puratasi Sravanam.
 
                    The Trust has got 20Lakhs as Corpus Fund. The expedinture 
per annum will be Rs.5 Lakhs. The interest accrued is not suffient to meet the 
expenditure. The Annual Bramhotsavam of Swami Desikan will be celeberated from 
3rd to 12th October 2005. All the Bhakthas are invited to participate and get 
the blessings of Swami Desikan
 
                     The trust makes an appeal to all philanthropists all over 
the world to come forwad and donate liberally for making Swami Thirunakshthiram 
Celeberations as a grand suceess. The contribution may be sent by way of 
Cash/cheque/demand draft in favour of 
"Sri Vilakoli Thoopul Vedantha Desikan Sravanam Trust"
                       
                      C. R. VASUDEVAN, MANAGING TRUSTEE
ADDRESS;      Old No.6/New No.15 Anaikati Street,
                        Kanchipuram-631 503.
                         Tamil Nadu, India.  Tel No: 04112-267082,  044-2475014
Dear Sri. Balaji,

Yes Hebbar Iyengars were not originally Srivaishnavas as you said and also
it is true that even Sri. Ramanujacharya was not a Srivaishnava when he was
born. He was born to an advaitin! So when Ramanuja preached Vishistadvaita,
Srivaishnavism became popular in Tamilnadu and as you said, when
Sri.Ramanjua fled from TN and settled in Karnataka for 12 long years it
spread to Southern Parts of Karnataka.

The details of Hebbar Srivaishnava origin was published long back in the
Hebbar Srivaishnava magazine called "Hebbar Kshema" and I remember reading
this. Also a historical novel written by Smt. Neeladevi about the life of
Ramanjuja in Karnataka named "Dhanya" gives similar answers to the orgin of
Hebbar Srivaishnavas

During the time when ramanjuja was in Tondanur(Tonnur) near Melukote, a
group of elderly Kannada Brahmins came to Ramanjua and offered to convert to
Srivaishnava Religion impressed by Ramanujas philosophy of Vishistadvaita.
Ramanjua affectionately called the group of Hiriya Haruva(Elderly Brahmin
Kannadigas) as Hebbar and thus originated the sect called Hebbar
Sivaishnava(Iyengars). So Hebbar Srivaishnavas are originally Kannada
Brahimins(Advaitins) who got converted to Srivaishnavas impressed by the
teachings of Sri. Ramanuja and not of backward Caste as you said.

Ramanuja asked them to settle in different places of the Hoysala
Kingdom(Current South Karnataka) and thus you can find many Hebbar
Srivaishnavas mainly in the souther districts of Karnatka especially,
Bangalore, Mysore, Mandya, Tumkur, Hassan, Kolar and Chamarajanagar
districts.

They have their kuladaivams or Haath perumal in different places of these
districts. for more info. Please visit www.karnatkavaishanavatemples.net


Since their mother tongue was Kannada they still have the affliction towards
kannada. Gradually they learnt to speak Tamil mainlyu to learn the Divya
Prabhandams.

But still Hebbar Srivaishnavas cannot read and write in Tamil. They read the
Ramanujas philosophical works and Alwars divya prabhandams translated to
Kannada or English. But they recite Nalayara divyaprabhandams in Temples in
Karnataka forming Gostis. They are called Melnatu Iyengars as they are
residing in the High plateau of Karnataka. Another sect called Keelnatu
Iyengars are those who migrated to Karnataka from Tamilnadu, which is lower
than the Plateau of Karnataka. 

I request any one in the groups who can give more info on a unique sect
called Hebbar Srivaishnavas of Karnataka.

Om namO nArAyanAya
Sampige Srinivasa Iyengar
Bengalooru



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From: k.s.Balaji [mailto:kadababalaji@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:18 PM
To: sampiges@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Origin of Hebbar iyengars



While i was recently surfing the net, i came across a message to Bhakti
list, in which a very pertinent question of Origin of Hebbar Iyengars, had
been raised by, one Ranganath Sudarshan some where in march 2000.
This aspect had been engaging my mind, for quite some time and no credible
answers have comeforth from anybody. Even the Hebbar Shrivaishnava Sabha At
Bangalore doesn't seem to have made any attempt to find out the roots of
Hebbar iyengars. My introspection tells me that we must have been, most
probably, belonging to Backward class community of that period. The reason
is simple.. When Saint Ramanuja was about to be persecuted in Tamil Nadu,
he escaped the persecution, and came away to a place called Melukote, which
is in Karnataka.I am certain he could not have come with a huge number of
followers, except may be a few hundreds.
Its well known fact that vaishnavism spread in Karnataka, after Ramanujas
coming,as he found that Temple entry was denied to back ward communities.
In order to ensure entry to back ward class people, he could have converted
a very large number of backward class people to vaishnavism, thro his
disciples, who came along with him to Melukote. It is likely, that these
disciples of Ramanuja were asked to spread out to various places of the then
Mysore state, to spread his Philosophy of Vishistaadvaita and also to ensure
temple entry to one and all including backward class, thro conversion to
Vaishnavism, thus bringing them to forward fold... As these disciples of
Ramanuja were mostly male members, it is most likely, they might have got
married to these backward women who were inducted into the Vaishnava fold
and our forefathers could be the off springs of such marriages.
If u think aloud, u can see that while Hebbar iyengars, can speak Tamil
interspersed with kannada words, they cannot read and write tamil. . As they
say the first syllables/words learnt by a kid is always thro its mother
tongue, and the mother while having learnt spoken/broken tamil thro
marriage, to a pure vaishnavite, knows only Kannada from her child hood for
writing and reading, which had been her langauge before marriage.. Hence she
would have found it a lot more easier to teach her off springs this language
than Tamil, which is not her mother tongue.
Really i do not know how many takers are there for my introspection.. and
the Hebbar iyengars may frown at my own findings.. Its better to accept the
realities , if such be the case, than masquerading oneself as pure
Brahmins.


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