Dear Bhagavatas I would like to know whether we will call the name of Bhismar as a chiranjeevi or as a Pithama. Pl. also clarify the meaning of Pithama. Adiyen Anantha Padamanban -----Original Message----- From: Vasudevan VK [mailto:vasuchak@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:36 AM To: Krishna Kashyap; 'Rajagopalan Narayan'; srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [SriRangaSri] on charanagathi Dear Bhagavatas: Those who wish to offer their inputs or other comments on the issue may post to SRS_Satsangam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx As only members can post, they should make sure that they are members of this group. If not already joined, they may join by sending email to- SRS_Satsangam-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Modearator ========================================================================= Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Shrimathey Ramanujaaya Namaha Shrimathey Nigamaantha Mahaa Deshikaaya Namaha I would like to touch upon a couple of things mentioned in the mails below. So far as my knowledge goes, there are 7 chiranjeevis in the Srivaishnava tradition and they are: Ashwathama Bali Vyasa Hanuman Vibhishana Parashurama Kripacharya Prahlada doesn't belong to this category. We all should be saying their names every Saturday when we have the oil bath too. I would agree with Kashyap Swami that there is no rebirth for anybody in Shri Vaikuntam due to karma or praarabdham. However, they can take incarnations as Acharyas or Azhwars out of their own volition. The case of Jaya and Vijaya pertains to Vishnu Lokam and not Shri Vaikuntam. Elders please clarify. Asmath Gurubhyo Namaha Krishna Kashyap <krishna@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear friends, I did ask HH Azhagiasingar briefly about this issue; I do stand corrected. As per my understanding: 1. vibhisana saranagati is for nitya kainkaryam. Probably the exact format of this is not clearly known. 2. prahlada is a chiranjeevi and by his mahima he could be born as vibhisana / vidura. 3. for people like prahlada, it is not possible to clearly differentiate, whether he was a bhaktiyogi or prapannan. Adiyen Krishna Kashyap -----Original Message----- From: Rajagopalan Narayan [mailto:rajagopalannarayan@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:52 AM To: srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SriRangaSri] on charanagathi A respected colleague- Kashyap swamin- has in response to my note on charanagathi pointed out that once moksham is afforfed by the Lord as with Vibishana by Rama there cannot be a rebirth. I wish to point out that this is true for the baddha jiva and not to nithyasuris.. The dwarapalaka-jaya and Vijaya are nithysuris of vaikundam and were cursed to be born thrice. The Sanatkumara who cursed them for no fault of theirs was also punished to be born along with them but as vishnubaktha.( refHarivamsa ).Time abd again the nithyasuris are enjoined by the Lord to take birth in this mortal world as Azhwar, Acharya etc as part of His LeelaMy poiint earlier was to indicate that inherent good or bad charecterstics and prarabda karma need not neceesarily be wiped totally when He grants the wish of the asker in a particular situation; Adiyen may be excused for impudence. dasan narayanan. __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SriRangaSri/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SriRangaSri-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! 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