[compost_tea] Re: Asian Rust

From: Tom Jaszewski <tom_at_livesoil.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:26:19 -0000

Tom,

Could you please tell us ignoramuses (not an intended implication by
TJ) what AH is.

Titel,

(TJ) Alaskan Humus sold by the moderator and creator of this list.

I agree with you that vermicompost is the superior choice for making
ACT but I do not believe you are qualified to make the statement
that "compost tea will not get rid of any disease load".

(TJ) Actually I think I am qualified to be certain I don't ever
represent ACT as an "icide". Rather ACT is a PART of a
modality or
concept utilizing biological tools to OUTCOMPETE not "gets
rid" of
diseases.

Our
observations, though as yet unsubstantiated through independent
trials, do show that 'our' compost tea actually has caused the
remission of active powdery mildew.

(TJ) I guess this comes down to semantics. I too have seen remission
and significant competition, but would be remiss and do our movement
a disservice to represent ACT as more than it is, at least as I view
ACT. Again from my view it's a tool, and I'm not certain that
what we
qualify as disease pathogens need to be eliminated. Perhaps they have
a role in the biological processes?

This is not to say that this
happens 100% of the time and it may be a result of the clay powders
which we provide as a microbial food source. The jury is still out.

(TJ) The jury is in as far as I am concerned on my property and with
the brews we have made. I'm just not willing to publicly announce
that I am certain of repeatability.

We also have second handedly observed compost tea to put a
severe 'erwinia' (sp?) infection into remission. This was with
compost tea made with regular compost with molasses in a homemade
venturi based brewer.

(TJ) Personally and again in my experience I believe erwinia in an
ornamental setting is an easy one with the tea we have brewed

I think caution should be used in statements about what CT can and
cannot do until we know more.

(TJ) That's precisely why I wrote, "compost tea will not get rid
of
any disease load".

Titel

(TJ) Sounds like we have more to agree on than not….

Regards,
Tom J



--- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Titel Ryzhomer"
<thegoodjob_at_h...> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Could you please tell us ignoramuses what AH is.
>
> I agree with you that vermicompost is the superior choice for
making
> ACT but I do not believe you are qualified to make the statement
> that "compost tea will not get rid of any diease load". Our =
> observations, though as yet unsubstantiated through independent
> trials, do show that 'our' compost tea actually has caused the
> remission of active powdery mildew. This is not to say that this
> happens 100% of the time and it may be a result of the clay powders > which we provide as a microbial food source. The jury is still out. >
> We also have second handedly observed compost tea to put a
> severe 'erwinia' (sp?) infection into remission. This was with
> compost tea made with regular compost with molasses in a homemade
> venturi based brewer.
>
> I think caution should be used in statements about what CT can and > cannot do until we know more.
>
> Titel
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Tom Jaszewski" <tom@= l...>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "robhunt2" <robh= unt2_at_y...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Will compost tea get rid of Asian Rust?
> >
> > Compost tea will not "get rid" of any diseaese load. Wh= at we have
> > learned is that some "recipes" will outcompete many pat= hogens.
> Some
> > of us have done "inhibition assays" with BBC labs and h= ave
> replicated
> > the lab results in the field.
> >
> > As always the MOST inportant parts of the process are, quality > > compost (to date tersts have shown vermicompost and AH are most <= BR> > > effective when combined, but this is only in our testing, and more
> > needs to be done), quality nutrient packs (ours come from the > > manufacturer of the system we use, EPM)and a well supported and <= BR> > > constructed brewer.
> >
> > BTW Compost Science and Utilization did and excellent article > > comparing the biological makeup of compost and vermicompost, lots=
> to
> > learn here too but none the less an enlightening article. Worms <= BR> > rule!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom Jaszewski




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