Re: [compost_tea] Truth or Fiction

From: butch ragland <wilddog_202_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:02:37 -0800 (PST)
Not really responding to you.
--- soilfoodweb_at_aol.com wrote:



> Hi Butch -

> I am confused by your last e-mail.  I don't mean
> that in a nasty way,  or
> attacking, or anything like that.  I'm just
> confused. 

> What I was talking about was not related to changing
> the plant. 

> Tim Kiphart meant that, I believe, in reference  to
> the homeopathic
> situation, in which case your points are right  on.
>

> But I was talking about adding diseased plant
> material into  the brewer. 
> There is a real concern with inoculum surviving the
> brewing process. 

> In which case, your concern that many plants would
> die before a  portion of
> the plant population was selected that  would had
> natural immunity is the
> logical concern.  

> So, I hope I clarified my meaning, that I wasn't
> talking about selection in 
> the plant population at all.  If the brewing
> conditions will not deal with 
> the disease inoculum, people will set themselves up
> for the situation  Butch was
> talking about. 

> It is a choice some people make, to try to select,
> over the years, for 
> disease resistant varieties, but you then need to
> save your own seed, and plant 
> the seed you selected because they survived the
> disease.

> OK?


> In a message dated 1/19/2005 12:29:06 P.M. Pacific
> Standard Time, 
> wilddog_202_at_yahoo.com writes:
>
> To get some disease resistance the plant must change
> genetically.  Then select the resistant strain that
> developed while under stress. If you  inoculate a
> large
> number of plants, sooner or later one will appear
> that
> is disease resistant. Of course you loose a lot
> crops
> in the mean  time. I'm sorry it doesn't work that
> way.
> --- soilfoodweb_at_aol.com  wrote:
>
> > 
> >
> > I would be REALLY concerned to put  diseases
> material
> > straight  into an
> > aerobic tea  brew.  Especially if the disease has
> > gone into a  dormant  stage in the
> > plant material, there isn't a means of killing the
> >  spores  in an aerobic brew.
> > 
> > In a not-aerated brew,  the spores are still a
> > concern, but  they MIGHT be
> > killed  by the anaerobic conditions.
> > 
> > but if the inoculum is  really high going into the
> > brewer, a 12  to 24 hour
> > brew  isn't enough time to deal with all the
> dormant
> > stages of the   disease
> > organisms. 
> > 
> > So, I couldn't  recommend the practice. 
> > 
> > Elaine
> >  
> >
> > I was  told the suggestions for adding the
> diseased
> > tomato matter to the 
> >
> > compost tea   originated with Amigo (Bob)
> Cantisano.
> > I  assumed it meant 
> > adding  plant matter to the brewer.  Anyone on
> this
> >  list who knows Amigo Bob 
> > might be able to check with him  and  advise us.
> > Judi
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Butch  Ragland
> Conflict is as addictive as
> cocaine, alcohol,  cigarettes,etc
> I'm sorry to report that
> cooperation is  not
>
>
>
>
>
> Elaine R.  Ingham
> Soil Foodweb Inc., Corvallis, Oregon
> Soil Foodweb Inc., Port  Jefferson, New York
> Soil Foodweb Institute, Lismore Australia
> Soil Foodweb  Institute Cambridge, New Zealand
> Laboratorios de Soil Foodweb, Culiacan,  Mexico
> Soil Foodweb Inc., Jerome, Idaho
> Soil Foodweb Inc., South  Africa
>
>


=====
Butch Ragland
Conflict is as addictive as
cocaine, alcohol, cigarettes,etc
I'm sorry to report that
cooperation is not


           
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