Re: [compost_tea] tea for pasture

From: butch ragland <wilddog_202_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:11:15 -0800 (PST)


Bob, PS on the revolution. When the revolution is
finally won, it is those who have their feet firming
planted in science, good business practices and of
couse good marketing/sales that survive. The zealots
are killed off unless they can adjust. In the mean
time Zee Ha. I love cheerleaders as much as I do the
game.
--- Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dave. I did not see the second report you
> detailed in your message. It does quiet down the
> fantastic difference. However a 30% difference with
> the other advantages - if those advantages held up
> with the final report, seems to make ACT treatment a
> good investment for
> the rancher.
>
> In the final report, Dave, did the advantges in
> 1 - grass fed - no Mad Cow possible.
> 2 - High Omega 3
> 3 - High CLA
> Stay as high as in the initial report?
> And, Dave did you compute the ranch advantafe and
> the ecological savings
> that can result when grass finished beef is marketed
> at "as good ( or better)"
> as grain finished beef? Bob
>
> David Anderson <squtch_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Or, instead of trusting Bob's incorrect numbers, you
> can go read the
> report straight from the rancher's keyboard.
>
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/compost_tea/message/9547
>
> She got what just about anyone would consider
> incredible results, but
> they were not in the range of a 300-700%
> improvement. It was more
> along the lines of a 30% improvement.
>
> The growth rate for a few months was as high as Bob
> said, but for the
> entire year, it was under 2 pounds:
>
> "Guess you better load up and come to Texas and see
> our big boys! But let me
> clarify: we use Tru-scale scales to weigh the
> animals – and in 2003 our 'big
> boys' that we planned to harvest gained 3 lbs ADG
> between January 2003 and
> March 21, 2003; that increased to 3.8 ADG as of
> April 24, 2003. (and yes, in
> those averages we have some in the 4 and 5 lbs a day
> category – I never
> dreamed that was possible with just grass).
> Obviously we didn't maintain
> that rate of gain through the summer or for their
> entire lives but we did
> come in a little less than 2 lbs for the year. Did
> better than we have ever
> done."
>
> So Bob caught the part where she mentioned the
> higher weight period,
> but glossed over the yearly average.
>
> He also seems to have missed the following paragraph
> where she
> corrects the 1/2 pound mistake. It should have been
> 1.5 pounds:
>
> "Previous to converting from conventional to
> sustainable, we were putting on
> less than 1.5 lbs ADG (sorry Elaine if I told you .5
> ADG – my mind and
> mouth don't always sinc) for our young animals that
> were grazing and
> getting a little corn to help them along."
>
> There is no mention of whether this is the same
> period as the 4-5
> pounds or the 2 pounds for the year. Lacking that
> information, it is
> best to assume that it is for the year.
>
> A 30% increase is still quite respectable, and a lot
> more believeable.
>
> She also credits many other changes in their
> handling of the
> livestock. So this is certainly not a side by side
> test of ACT. It
> *IS* a very good testimonial.
>
> This is why I don't like sales and marketing speak.
> It is never the
> whole truth.
>
> Print out that message that I referenced and show it
> to your friend.
> Try and get them to run an experiment and report
> back with the
> results.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


=====
Butch Ragland
Conflict is as addictive as
cocaine, alcohol, cigarettes,etc
I'm sorry to report that
cooperation is not


                
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