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Re: Vietnam War Anniversary



Here, here, since most of us deal with historical
docments on a daily basis, I see nothing wrong in a
discussion that can add to anyones knowledge.

Suni (MLIS student and future archivist)

--- Howard <heritage@HALCYON.COM> wrote:
> To all who responded to my original post, thank you
> for your comments and
> concerns.  I simply responded to Mr. Scott's message
> in an open forum, and
> didn't intend to offend anyone's political
> sensibilities. I've read with
> interest the various posts to this forum, and I'd
> assumed that the
> discussion of history was of interest to the keepers
> of the historical
> record.  In the future, I'll try to keep my comments
> light and on topic.
> Perhaps I'll even weight in on the always
> enlightening and decidedly on
> topic Friday Humor segments next time around.
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Howard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Jaeger <markj@OMNI.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
> To: <ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Vietnam War Anniversary
>
>
> > Howard,
> >
> > First of all, this is all OFF-TOPIC.  If you wish
> to re-fight the Vietnam
> > War then you might want to join a Vietnam
> discussion list.  I happen to
> > think you are engaging in Monday-morning
> quarterbacking but, to paraphrase
> > that North Vietnamese officer at the Paris Peace
> Talks, "What you say may
> > be true; however, it is also irrelevant."
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Mark D. Jaeger
> > Purdue University Libraries
> > Special Collections
> >
> > On Mon, 1 May 2000, Howard wrote:
> >
> > > Had the United States allowed elections to be
> held in Vietnam after the
> > > defeat of the French in 1954 as called for in
> the Geneva accords, the
> war
> > > would never have taken place.  But instead,
> American diplomats, lead by
> John
> > > Foster Dulles,  scuttled the elections (which Ho
> Chi Minh would have
> easily
> > > won, by every account) and then maneuvered to
> install a series of
> corrupt
> > > buffoons (Bao Dai, Diem, and various generals
> and political strongmen)
> in
> > > the newly created state of South Vietnam to do
> our bidding.   Therefore,
> the
> > > resulting carnage was a direct result of
> American Cold War political
> > > strategizing. And please site your source for
> the claim that more
> Vietnamese
> > > died after the fall of Saigon in 1975 than had
> died during the war.
> I've
> > > seen that figure tossed around for years, and no
> one has ever provided
> me
> > > with a source for that claim.
> > >
> > > Here is an interesting fact-at  the end of WWII,
> during a ceremony in
> Hanoi,
> > > Ho Chi Minh declared Vietnam to be a Republic.
> In attendance were
> various
> > > American dignitaries, and American aircraft flew
> overhead.  Ho also
> quoted
> > > from the Declaration of Independence during his
> speech.  Talk about
> missed
> > > opportunities.
> > >
> > > Howard
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott, Paul (FPM)
> <paul_scott@FPM.CO.HARRIS.TX.US>
> > > To: <ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Vietnam War Anniversary
> > >
> > >
> > > > While that "crazy Asian war" may have ended
> with the fall of Saigon,
> the
> > > > killing did not.
> > > >
> > > > The Stalinist and Maoist of North Vietnam and
> Cambodia killed more
> people
> > > > consolidating their victory than died during
> the war.
> > > >
> > > > Not everyone on this lists thinks that this is
> something that we
> should be
> > > > celebrating.
> > > > Paul R. Scott
> > > > Records Manager (and former Capt. USMCR)
> > > > Harris County, Texas
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: J. Frank Cook
> [SMTP:fcook@LIBRARY.WISC.EDU]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 1:38 PM
> > > > > To:   ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> > > > > Subject:      Re: Vietnam War Anniversary
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick J. Prior
> > > > >
> > > > > I am sending this response to the list
> instead of just to you only
> > > because
> > > > > you did.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, he was a major figure in the anti-war
> movement here in Madison
> and I
> > > > > was just sharing the story about a good
> friend of mine -- mostly
> with
> > > > > Midwest Archives Conference members for whom
> I don't have a separate
> > > > > list.  He was never in the military to the
> best of my knowledge,
> just
> > > > > celebrating an end to "that crazy Asian War"
> as the popular song had
> > > it --
> > > > > and as a lot of us did 25 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 12:27 PM 5/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > >Frank,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I am having a hard time understanding this
> post.  Was Quinn somehow
> > > > > >involved in the final mad rush from Saigon
> in 1975?  Or was he an
> > > > > anti-war
> > > > > >protester?  Or both?  And what was he
> celebrating?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yours in Haste,
> > > > > >Patrick J. Prior
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On the 25th anniversary of the end of the
> war -- and also May
> Day -- it
> > > > > is
> > > > > >fitting to remember the contributions of
> one of our own to that
> effort.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Patrick M. Quinn, formerly of this shop and
> now archivist of
> > > Northwestern
> > > > > >University, was interviewed by the Madison
> evening newspaper, The
> > > Capital
> > > > > >Times, on Saturday, April 29th for their
> article on "The Fall of
> > > > > >Saigon."  The front page article concluded
> with:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >         "Patrick Quinn had been gone from
> Madison for a year, but
> the
> > > > > > calls from
> > > > > >UW friends from around the country flooded
> in as images of a
> helicopter
> > > > > >pulling away from the US. Embassy in Saigon
> flashed on the TV
> screen.
> > > > > >         Quinn, a key organizer in
> Madison's
=== message truncated ===

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