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From: "mguth@" <mguth@MINDSPRING.COM>, on 00-05-02 12:50:

Good one Howie. Those Friday Humor segments are always so interesting, and
we would'nt want to clog up the board with any fact based e-mail would we.
----- Original Message -----
From: Howard <heritage@HALCYON.COM>
To: <ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Vietnam War Anniversary


> To all who responded to my original post, thank you for your comments and
> concerns.  I simply responded to Mr. Scott's message in an open forum, and
> didn't intend to offend anyone's political sensibilities. I've read with
> interest the various posts to this forum, and I'd assumed that the
> discussion of history was of interest to the keepers of the historical
> record.  In the future, I'll try to keep my comments light and on topic.
> Perhaps I'll even weight in on the always enlightening and decidedly on
> topic Friday Humor segments next time around.
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Howard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Jaeger <markj@OMNI.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
> To: <ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Vietnam War Anniversary
>
>
> > Howard,
> >
> > First of all, this is all OFF-TOPIC.  If you wish to re-fight the
Vietnam
> > War then you might want to join a Vietnam discussion list.  I happen to
> > think you are engaging in Monday-morning quarterbacking but, to
paraphrase
> > that North Vietnamese officer at the Paris Peace Talks, "What you say
may
> > be true; however, it is also irrelevant."
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Mark D. Jaeger
> > Purdue University Libraries
> > Special Collections
> >
> > On Mon, 1 May 2000, Howard wrote:
> >
> > > Had the United States allowed elections to be held in Vietnam after
the
> > > defeat of the French in 1954 as called for in the Geneva accords, the
> war
> > > would never have taken place.  But instead, American diplomats, lead
by
> John
> > > Foster Dulles,  scuttled the elections (which Ho Chi Minh would have
> easily
> > > won, by every account) and then maneuvered to install a series of
> corrupt
> > > buffoons (Bao Dai, Diem, and various generals and political strongmen)
> in
> > > the newly created state of South Vietnam to do our bidding.
Therefore,
> the
> > > resulting carnage was a direct result of American Cold War political
> > > strategizing. And please site your source for the claim that more
> Vietnamese
> > > died after the fall of Saigon in 1975 than had died during the war.
> I've
> > > seen that figure tossed around for years, and no one has ever provided
> me
> > > with a source for that claim.
> > >
> > > Here is an interesting fact-at  the end of WWII, during a ceremony in
> Hanoi,
> > > Ho Chi Minh declared Vietnam to be a Republic.  In attendance were
> various
> > > American dignitaries, and American aircraft flew overhead.  Ho also
> quoted
> > > from the Declaration of Independence during his speech.  Talk about
> missed
> > > opportunities.
> > >
> > > Howard
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott, Paul (FPM) <paul_scott@FPM.CO.HARRIS.TX.US>
> > > To: <ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Vietnam War Anniversary
> > >
> > >
> > > > While that "crazy Asian war" may have ended with the fall of Saigon,
> the
> > > > killing did not.
> > > >
> > > > The Stalinist and Maoist of North Vietnam and Cambodia killed more
> people
> > > > consolidating their victory than died during the war.
> > > >
> > > > Not everyone on this lists thinks that this is something that we
> should be
> > > > celebrating.
> > > > Paul R. Scott
> > > > Records Manager (and former Capt. USMCR)
> > > > Harris County, Texas
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: J. Frank Cook [SMTP:fcook@LIBRARY.WISC.EDU]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 1:38 PM
> > > > > To:   ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> > > > > Subject:      Re: Vietnam War Anniversary
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick J. Prior
> > > > >
> > > > > I am sending this response to the list instead of just to you only
> > > because
> > > > > you did.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, he was a major figure in the anti-war movement here in Madison
> and I
> > > > > was just sharing the story about a good friend of mine -- mostly
> with
> > > > > Midwest Archives Conference members for whom I don't have a
separate
> > > > > list.  He was never in the military to the best of my knowledge,
> just
> > > > > celebrating an end to "that crazy Asian War" as the popular song
had
> > > it --
> > > > > and as a lot of us did 25 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 12:27 PM 5/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > >Frank,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I am having a hard time understanding this post.  Was Quinn
somehow
> > > > > >involved in the final mad rush from Saigon in 1975?  Or was he an
> > > > > anti-war
> > > > > >protester?  Or both?  And what was he celebrating?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yours in Haste,
> > > > > >Patrick J. Prior
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On the 25th anniversary of the end of the war -- and also May
> Day -- it
> > > > > is
> > > > > >fitting to remember the contributions of one of our own to that
> effort.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Patrick M. Quinn, formerly of this shop and now archivist of
> > > Northwestern
> > > > > >University, was interviewed by the Madison evening newspaper, The
> > > Capital
> > > > > >Times, on Saturday, April 29th for their article on "The Fall of
> > > > > >Saigon."  The front page article concluded with:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >         "Patrick Quinn had been gone from Madison for a year,
but
> the
> > > > > > calls from
> > > > > >UW friends from around the country flooded in as images of a
> helicopter
> > > > > >pulling away from the US. Embassy in Saigon flashed on the TV
> screen.
> > > > > >         Quinn, a key organizer in Madison's anti-war movement
and
> the
> > > > > > assistant
> > > > > >archivist at the State Historical Society, moved on to
Northwestern
> > > > > >University in 1974 [Patrick worked at the SHSW before coming to
the
> > > > > >University Archives], where he became the head archivist.  He
said
> he
> > > > > >'banged back that Old Style' beer in a private celebration with
his
> > > > > family,
> > > > > >but said there weren't any public celebrations to join down
there.
> > > > > >         The war, he noted, had been fading for years, but there
> had
> > > been
> > > > > > no real
> > > > > >conclusion until that moment."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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