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Re: Logging vs shotlisting video tapes



While in my oral history mode I might use a log as Paul has suggested, we
also use them everyday in my role as Producer here at Henninger Productions.
While conditions, of course, may vary in your area, I find that with the
advent of non-linear editing systems like Avid, a shot list a basically out
of fashion (except in the case of "short" lists of shots that need say, a
particular effect once you get to on-line - but not for describing the
entire source tape) and logging using a media logger or straight into the
non-linear editing system itself "on the fly" is the most often used method.
Additionally, most non-linear editors will probably tell you that describing
the type of shot (XCU, CU, ES, LS, MS) is no longer as necessary as it was -
when I'm editing I would never rely on the type of shot whoever logged the
tape thought it was, but rather I want to see all the shots of a particular
subject and decide for myself both which works and looks best.  Non-linear
editing makes this much easier of course, since there is no time involved
rewinding and fast-forwarding the tape... just load the clip (often the same
subject shot from various perspectives) and scan through it with your mouse.
The only TYPE of shot I'd be interesting in logging for myself would be the
ES (Establishing Shot), CU (Close-Up) or a particularly interesting shot -
say a POV (Point Of View) or something shot at a different speed, etc.

My two cents from the other side of the fence.

John Warren
Henninger Productions



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From: Archives & Archivists [mailto:ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU]On Behalf
Of Paul Eisloeffel
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:05 AM
To: ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Logging vs shotlisting video tapes

Hi Bill,

While some may consider this a matter of semantic interpretation, I look at
it this way:  A "log" is a consecutive list of the subject matter on a film,
videotape or audio recording and where it occurs (for example,
"0:23:05-1:03:32 -- Discussion of interviewee's role in local Civil Defense
activities"), while a "shotlist" is specific to moving images (film or
video) and is a consecutive scene-by-scene list of visual and audio content
and where it occurs ("1:37:03 -- Close up: Senator Bullbleep at podium.
Audio: answers question about infidelity").  As you can see, the shotlist is
more detailed than the log, and is particularly useful to media producers
looking for that certain special shot.  The terms for type of shot, close
up, long shot, pan, etc.) is often abbreviated (CU, LS, PN), but there is
little standard.  I've come up with a shot type abbreviation list for our
purposes here, compiled from several sources, that I'd be happy to share.
Format, of course, is not standard either; do what seems best for you.  Hope
this helps!

-Paul

Paul J. Eisloeffel
Curator of Manuscripts and Audio-Visual Collections
Nebraska State Historical Society
P.O. Box 82554
Lincoln, NE 68501
(402) 471-4750
Fax: (402) 471-8922
E-mail: pje@inebraska.com
           pje@nebraskahistory.org
www.nebraskahistory.org

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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 7:40 PM
Subject: Logging vs shotlisting video tapes


> Dear List,
>
> I have a question related to the cataloguing of videotapes:
> What is the difference between producing a "log" and a "shot list" of
tapes, or between "logging" and "shotlisting"?  Are they basically the same
or are they different creatures? Is logging just a more detailed version of
shotlisting, with spoken words etc?
>
> Please enlighten me!  Thanks!
>
> Bill Cox
>
>
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