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Re: Baptism Gowns in the 1860s



Kevin,
Thank you so much for the info...

Kristin
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From: "Bunker, Kevin" <kbunker@SS.CA.GOV>
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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Baptism Gowns in the 1860s


> 'Morning, Kristin!
>
> How's life today in the Great Prairies?
>
> Yup, put in about 15 years on and off (tho' mostly on) with CA State RR
> Museum, a unit of the Gold Rush District of CA Parks & Rec.
>
> Sadly, DPR has a very uneven, or spotty record of dedication to
interpretive
> living history portrayals. Nothing much in that field gets done in Old
> Sacramento SHP without a dedicated ranger/interpreter or team of same who
> will push the upper management for budget, staff and time support.
>
> The work we did once upon a time was at CSRM's reconstructed 1860s Central
> Pacific RR Passenger Station on the waterfront of the old city. Our best
> efforts were done years prior to the opening of the massive Museum of RR
> History, so the depot's covered "trainshed" was still filled with
unrestored
> 19th c. cars and locomotives, and one engine therein was a functional
> woodburner (it's since been restored, stuffed & mounted inside MORH). Back
> when we did "Sacramento in 1876" -- CSRM consisted only of that depot
> replica, so all the volunteers efforts were focused there. Of course, as
> might be expected, the women and a fair number of "drafted" kids really
got
> into the costuming and interpretive study. The men...shall we guesstimate
> about 60%?...wanted their parts and costuming handed to them on a plate,
and
> if left tot their own devices all would have showed up as '49ers, Gunsmoke
> cowpokes or over-the-top Capitol Legislators and gamblers. Ugh! A big
> tug-of-war over controlling those particular egos and louts made it
> exhausting work
>
> Two different years, though, we pulled-off a remarkable pair of 2-day
> weekend re-enactments, with a fairly diverse depiction of passenger hustle
&
> bustle, class struggle, hubbub, public entertainment of that Centennial
year
> and historically based chit-chat amongst the living historian characters
and
> the public.
>
> The only place left around here that still does a credible job -- in my
> narrow opinion -- is Sutter's Fort SHP across town. They put on days
> involving Fort life circa 1839 remarkable well considering that just
outside
> the fort's walls are 2 busy thoroughfares, a 6-story modern hospital and a
> noisy, elevated Business Interstate 80 a block away. On Sundays, when that
> modern outside world is a lot more quiet, the feeling of 1839 seems much
> more real.
> I think, but am not sure, that Ms. Katrina Worley (sic) is one of the
> stalwart docents behind that LH effort.
>
> Try phoning Sutter's Fort SHP (916-324-0539) directly. I doubt Katrina is
> there daily, but they can probably link you to her or another person in
the
> LH program. Now that I look, I see that the phone # above also is the same
> for a number of other DPR historic sites within the Gold Rush sector, so
you
> may need to call the Gold Rush District business office to narrow your
> search for Katrina. That # is 916-445-7373.
>
> Cordially,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Kristin Torgerson[SMTP:kris92576@MAIL.OLG.COM]
> > Reply To:     Archives & Archivists
> > Sent:         Wednesday, September 13, 2000 3:08 PM
> > To:   ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> > Subject:      Re: Baptism Gowns in the 1860s
> >
> > Kevin,
> > I couldn't help but notice that you used to work at a living history
> > museum!
> > I'm in the process of trying to figure out how many other LH museums
have
> > research/ interpretation liasons, and if the museums have found them to
be
> > beneficial as well as what kinds of duties they perform. I would really
> > appreciate some input on this or possibly a redirection to someone you
> > might
> > know that could help answer my question..
> >
> > Much Thanks.
> >
> > Kristin Torgerson
> > Historic St. Mary's City.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bunker, Kevin" <kbunker@SS.CA.GOV>
> > To: <ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 12:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: Baptism Gowns in the 1860s
> >
> >
> > > Angela --
> > >
> > > From my past experience in helping costume volunteers at several 1860s
&
> > > 1870s living history interpretive re-enactments, I've learned to think
> > > sideways about such questions.
> > >
> > > A couple of related questions might need to be asked:
> > >
> > >         -- What faith tradition are we speaking of? This would
> > >            determine whether immersion baptism or the dribble-
> > >            of-water over the forehead of a child-in-arms would be
> > >            the sacramental means, which in turn alters the
> > >            clothing style.
> > >
> > >         -- Is the family of means, or basic, plain prairie folk?
> > >
> > >         -- Gender will (to a lesser extent during the latter 19th
> > >            century for very young children) affect the fashion,
> > >            although young boys might still be seen in skirt-like
> > >            clothes before they turned 8, with longish hair.
> > >
> > > Keep researching!
> > >
> > > Kevin V. Bunker
> > > Student Assistant
> > > CA State Archives
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From:         Angela Curran[SMTP:acurran@AAFP.ORG]
> > > > Reply To:     Archives & Archivists
> > > > Sent:         Wednesday, September 13, 2000 6:42 AM
> > > > To:   ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
> > > > Subject:      Baptism Gowns in the 1860s
> > > >
> > > > I have a friend who has asked for help to find out what a small
child
> > > > (6-8) would have worn while getting baptized in the 1860s in the
> > Plains.
> > > > (Specifically, she said 1869 in Kansas.)  My hunch is that a child's
> > dress
> > > > would have been similar to an infant's christening gown, just
bigger,
> > but
> > > > I can't find anything to confirm that.  One problem is that infant
> > gowns
> > > > are referred to frequently, but nothing for slightly older children.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have any ideas?  I also wonder whether it would depend on the
> > > > particular church or denomination.
> > > >
> > > > Any help would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Angela Curran
> > > > Archives for Family Practice
> > > > 11400 Tomahawk Creek Parkway
> > > > Leawood, KS 66211
> > > > (913) 906-6000, ext. 4420
> > > > (913) 906-6095 FAX
> > > > acurran@aafp.org
> > > >
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