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Re: Copyright on Older Materials



The answer is that you are justified in charging the second fee, especially
if when you charged the first fee you made it clear what that fee covered
and that it didn't cover further distribution or publication.

This is clearly an area where copyright ownership would be a help.  If you
hold the copyright in the photograph, then the fact that someone owns a
copy does not give them the right to distribute it further.

Your institutional knowledge should be crystal clear on the copyright
status of everything you hold.  (I realize this may seem a rather
idealistic statement, but it is true nonetheless.)  It is quite possible
that you might have a photograph where you don't own the copyright.  In
that case you might be able to allow personal copying (as fair use) but you
might not be able to give permission for further distribution or
publication.

Hope this helps.

Nick  Finke

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                      "E. Naeher"
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                      08/22/2002 11:14 AM
                      Please respond to
                      "E. Naeher"






I guess my question is: if I give someone a copy of a photo for his or her
own use (for which we charge only copy fees), and then they want to publish
it (for which we charge an additional fee), since he/she now owns a copy of
the photo, am I legally justified in charging him/her for that permission?

Thanks,

--Eli Naeher
   Lower Cape Fear Historical Society

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Abraham" <tabraham@uidaho.edu>
> To: "E. Naeher" <enaeher@YIFAN.NET>
> Cc: <ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Copyright on Older Materials
>
>
> > The trick here is to forget about copyright entirely (or almost
entirely)
> > and concentrate on what you can do when you own the object. Copyright
is
> > an attempt to control uses even when the object is owned by someone
else.
> >
> > If I own a book or a photo, I can control who looks at it or copies
from
> > it. I can grant you permission to copy it (and cover myself in terms of
> > copyright by stating "It is the user's responsibility to guard against
the
> > infringement of rights that might be held by others"). And so that is
what
> > I do.
> >
> > Does that help?
> >
> >    ---Terry
> >
> > -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-
Terry
> > Abraham Special Collections, University of Idaho
> > <http://www.lib.uidaho.edu/special-collections/>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, E. Naeher wrote:
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
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> > >         charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > >
> > > Most archives I've encountered, including ours, have policies
requiring
> =
> > > permission and/or fees for publication of any of their material
(photos,
> =
> > > paintings, etc.), regardless of the date of origin of the material.
> > >
> > > However, what I've read of the applicable copyright law seems to
state
=
> > > that materials published prior to 1964 are copyright for 28 years
with
a
> =
> > > maximum total copyright, if renewed, of 95 years (past date of
copyright
> =
> > > or publication).  What is the legal basis for a library's charging
for
=
> > > rights to materials older than 95 years?  I can see the legality of =
> > > stating: "In order to get access to or a copy of this physical item,
you
> =
> > > must agree not to publish its intellectual content without our =
> > > permission."  But this is rarely if ever stated beforehand.  Am I =
> > > missing something obvious?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --Eli Naeher
> > >   Lower Cape Fear Historical Society
> > >
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> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most archives I've encountered, =
> > > including ours,=20
> > > have policies requiring permission and/or fees for&nbsp;publication
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> > > any of=20
> > > their material&nbsp;(photos, paintings, etc.), regardless of the date
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> > > origin=20
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> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, what I've read of the =
> > > applicable copyright=20
> > > law seems to state that materials published prior to 1964 are
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> =
> > > for 28=20
> > > years with a maximum total copyright, if renewed, of 95 years (past
date
> =
> > > of=20
> > > copyright or publication).&nbsp; What is the legal basis for a
library's
> =
> > >
> > > charging for rights to materials older than 95 years?&nbsp; I can see
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> > > the=20
> > > legality of stating: "In order to get access to or a copy of this =
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> > > you must agree not to publish its intellectual content without our=20
> > > permission."&nbsp; But this is rarely if ever stated beforehand.
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> > > Am I=20
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> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>--Eli Naeher</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; Lower Cape Fear Historical=20
> > > Society</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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