[B-Greek] Perseus Synonyms? (EKKLHSIA and SULLOGOS?)

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Thu Jun 12 12:36:18 EDT 2008


Further to my post below, perhaps I should explain a little of the background to my question. I am looking at the use of EKKLHSIA in the NT. It was suggested to me that if the Christians just wanted to use a Greek term to mean "meeting" or "assembly", then they could have used SULLOGOS instead. But they never did (at least in the NT), suggesting that EKKLHSIA becomes more of technical than a generic term, or else that it is distinctly better for describing the Christian meeting than SULLOGOS would be.

In the Perseus it notes that EKKLHSIA regularly appears with SULLOGOS. I'm guessing for the same reason the LSJ entries suggest that EKKLHSIA is more specific than SULLOGOS, based on Th.2.22, Pl.Grg.456b, etc, and so that SULLOGOS would perhaps not be used to describe the official EKKLHSIA. But if you were the first Christians, and wanted to pick a word to describe the new Christian gatherings, could SULLOGOS have been used as readily as EKKLHSIA?

Thanks,

--
Craig Johnson
Brisbane, Australia
Blog: http://bloggledegook.blogspot.com/ 

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> Subject: Perseus Synonyms? (EKKLHSIA and SULLOGOS?)
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> 
> Hi.
> 
> I'm just wondering if someone can help explain something I 
> came across.
> 
> I wanted to compare two words: EKKLHSIA and SULLOGOS. I 
> expected them to be synonyms, but if I look up either on 
> Perseus, neither comes up for the other as a synonym. Is 
> there something very different about the meanings of these 
> two words? Does anyone know how the computer of Perseus 
> determines synonyms, and why these don't come up as synonymns?
> 
> Here are the LSJ definitions from Perseus, and from this 
> there seems some overlap in the terms:
> 
> ἐκκλησί-α, ἡ, (ἔκκλητος) assembly duly summoned, less general 
> than σύλλογος, Th.2.22, Pl.Grg.456b, etc. ; applied to the 
> Homeric Assemblies, Arist.Pol.1285a11 ; to the Samian 
> Assembly, Hdt.3.142 ; to the Spartan, Th.1.87 ; to the 
> meeting of the Amphictyons at Delphi, Aeschin.3.124 ; at 
> Athens, ἐ. κύριαι, opp. σύγκλητοι, Arist.Ath.43.4 ; κυρία ἐ., 
> at Amorgos, IG12(7).237.46 ; ἐ. συναγείρειν, συνάγειν, 
> συλλέγειν, ἀθροίζειν, call an assembly, Hdt.3.142, Th.2.60, 
> 8.97, X.HG1.6.8 ; ἐ. ποιεῖν Ar.Eq.746, Th.1.139,al. ; ἐ. 
> ποιεῖν τινί Ar.Ach.169 ; διδόναι τινί Plb.4.34.6 ; ἐ. 
> γίγνεται an assembly is held, Th.6.8 ; καταστάσης ἐ. Id.1.31 
> ; ἦν ἐ. τοῖς στρατηγοῖς And.1.2 ; ἐ. διαλύειν, ἀναστῆσαι, 
> dissolve it, Th.8.69 (Pass.),X.HG2.4.42 ; ἀφιέναι Plu.TG16 ; 
> ἐ. ἀνεβλήθη was adjourned, Th.5.45 ; ἐ. περί τινος Ar. Av.1030, etc. 
> 
> σύλλογ-ος, ὁ, assembly, concourse, meeting of persons, 
> whether legal or riotous, ς. ἐγίνετο Hdt.8.74; Ἀχαιῶν ς., 
> name of a play by Sophocles; ξ. γυναικοπληθεῖς E.Alc.951; ς. 
> στρατεύματος Id.IA514, cf. 825; ἐν θεοῖς ς. σοῦ πέρι ἔσται 
> Id.Hel.878; ς. ποιῆσαι Th.1.67, 4.114 (cf. ἐκκλησία); ς. 
> ποιέεσθαι Hdt.7.8 init., 8.24, cf. E.Heracl.335; ς. διαλύειν 
> Hdt.7.10.δ'; of the people, διαλύεσθαι ἐκ τοῦ ς. Id.3.73; ς. 
> σχολαστικοί Arist.Pol.1313b3; συμπόσια καὶ ἄλλοι ς. Phld.Mus. 
> p.110K.; ὁ ς. ὁ Ἁλικαρνασσέων SIG45.1 (Halic., v B.C.), cf. 
> 278.3 (Priene, iv B.C.), al.; at Athens, of any special 
> public meeting or assembly, opp. the common ἐκκλησία, 
> Th.2.22, Pl.Lg.764a; ἐκκλησίᾳ καὶ ἄλλῳ ς. παντί, ὅστις ἂν 
> πολιτικὸς ς. γένηται Id.Grg.452e, cf. X.An.5.7.2, D.19.122; 
> freq. of a muster of forces, X.Cyr.6.2.11, al.; so ς. νεῶν 
> And.3.38; ς. θεραπηΐης a medical consultation, Hp. Praec.13. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Craig Johnson
> Brisbane, Australia
> Blog: http://bloggledegook.blogspot.com/ 
> 


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