Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT

From: ray gore <xrg22000_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 21:06:21 -0700 (PDT)

Paul-
I need to get with you and see if your line of organic
supplies meets any of my customers needs. Thx Ray
--- Paul Sachs <pdsachs_at_localnet.com> wrote:
> Ray,
>
> I'd be happy to donate the boosters (microbe food)
> for all three tests so that you can keep that factor
> constant.
>
> Paul Sachs
> North Country Organics
> P.O. Box 372
> 203 Depot St
> Bradford, VT 05033
> 802.222.4277
> fax 802.222.9661
> pds_at_norganics.com
> www.norganics.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ray gore
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
>
>
> Yeah I would be all over doing a test and
> comparing
> our epm 500, modified growing sols and a bob-o and
> paying for all three to be tested by SFI as long
> as i
> knew that the starting ingredients were all the
> same.
> If the bob-0 outcompeted the others I would easily
> buy
> more than a few. Ray G
> --- Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yeah GO. I am interested in that test result.
> Can we
> > talk about the proceedure? Bob
> >
> > Steve Bridges <kimas_at_texasgrown.com> wrote:I've
> got
> > a BobOLator and a 22gal Earth Tea Brewer. I'm
> ready
> > to start testing. If my testing can tie into
> what
> > you're proposing, I'll be glad to participate.
> >
> > We would all have to use the same compost and
> the
> > same ingredients, calibrated for brew size. That
> > still doesn't eliminate variables such as
> > temperature, water quality, etc. But we could
> still
> > gain some useful insight.
> >
> > Steve Bridges
> > BobO 50gal and EPM 22gal (good idea Judi!)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Loring
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> >
> >
> > Dennis - You're right of course, it can't be
> done
> > with a single test. It wouldn't be fair
> whatever
> > the outcome. Any rigorous test would have at
> least
> > four repetitions of the same experiment. Maybe
> > there are enough machines out there that we
> would
> > have at least two identical machines for each
> type
> > manufactured. If there were not really
> significant
> > differences then that might tell the story. I'm
> > open to anything that will actually sort out
> some of
> > these variables, even those we expect in the lab
> > results. Maybe Elaine would tell us what the
> > acceptable limits are for her lab testing in the
> > sense of one sample being run multiple times as
> a
> > quality control test. I agree that there are
> limits
> > to what any lab can do. I don't know what to
> think
> > at this point, I've never sent paired, blind
> samples
> > before. I would pay for one of the samples
> though
> > if someone paid for the other.
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dkemnitz2000
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:49 PM
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> >
> >
> > ---Dave, I was trying to point out there are
> many
> > variables included
> > even in the testing, even of objective tests. I
> run
> > a flour sample
> > here (myself) and do all the sample prep one day
> and
> > do it again the
> > next day and get different numbers (vitamins B1
> and
> > B2 for instance)
> > each day. New variables the next day? Sample
> > changed? Usually the
> > numbers are close but what do you do when it
> comes
> > time for
> > disposition esp when numbers are not close?
> Maybe
> > average, maybe
> > rerun sample, maybe get another sample? Maybe
> > re-write the specs.?
> > Maybe throw out one for some reason. Anyway
> > experimental design will
> > be important in the brewer tests. Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> > In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "David Loring"
> > <dloring3_at_c...> wrote:
> > > Dennis - I agree with about 95% of what you've
> > said but there is a
> > need for testing in my mind, not with someones
> hard
> > found recipe, but
> > with a mutually agreed to compost and food of
> some
> > kind. Unless we
> > can get information about the variability of
> these
> > machines then
> > we're all on our own a bit and progress, much
> > needed, will be
> > difficult. It's hard to extrapolate to new
> > situations unless we nail
> > down the variables one at a time. I think the
> > strength of this forum
> > is found in combining our sometimes expensive
> > experiences. I've
> > spent a couple thousand on testing myself
> without
> > any product except
> > that I teach. Those of us in the non-commercial
> > world stand to gain
> > the most from sharing. If I can pay for only
> one
> > report and get the
> > answers from 5-10 others I'd consider it money
> well
> > spent.
> > > Dave
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: dkemnitz2000
> > > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:04 PM
> > > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com,
> "tomjasz"
> > <tom_at_l...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, but understandably the
> > developers of the
> > nutrient
> > > > packs have invested thousands of dollars
> in
> > their "recipes".
> > Two
> > > > developers I have conversations with
> aren't
> > particularly
> > excited
> > > > about having a competition. They are busy
> with
> > their farmers,
> > fruit
> > > > growers and viticulturists developing
> > successful operations
> > based
> > > on
> > > > sustainable practice and using ACT as a
> part
> > of the program.
> > The
> > > > controlled testing has been going on with
> > several manufacturers
> > for
>
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