Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT

From: Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:26:28 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Paul - Sent the Bitti to the Bells on tuesday, same day I got the order from you. Please if you send nutrients send advice. I failed to include your flyer. the one you left for me to send.
 
I plan to drive with a loade of brewers and aeratoors and O2 meter to spend a day or four with RAY settiing uup and testing. I wish I had more of your nutrients. His testing will be in 500 g tanks. Should I try a Bitti? I don;t think so.
 
Any quick advice? I expect to leave early Monday AM .

Paul Sachs <pdsachs_at_localnet.com> wrote:
Ray,
 
I'd be happy to donate the boosters (microbe food) for all three tests so that you can keep that factor constant.
 
Paul Sachs
North Country Organics
P.O. Box 372
203 Depot St
Bradford, VT 05033
802.222.4277
fax 802.222.9661
pds_at_norganics.com
www.norganics.com

----- Original Message -----
From: ray gore
To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT


Yeah I would be all over doing a test and comparing
our epm 500, modified growing sols and a bob-o and
paying for all three to be tested by SFI as long as i
knew that the starting ingredients were all the same.
If the bob-0 outcompeted the others I would easily buy
more than a few. Ray G
--- Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yeah GO. I am interested in that test result. Can we
> talk about the proceedure? Bob
>
> Steve Bridges <kimas_at_texasgrown.com> wrote:I've got
> a BobOLator and a 22gal Earth Tea Brewer. I'm ready
> to start testing. If my testing can tie into what
> you're proposing, I'll be glad to participate.
>
> We would all have to use the same compost and the
> same ingredients, calibrated for brew size. That
> still doesn't eliminate variables such as
> temperature, water quality, etc. But we could still
> gain some useful insight.
>
> Steve Bridges
> BobO 50gal and EPM 22gal (good idea Judi!)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Loring
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
>
>
> Dennis - You're right of course, it can't be done
> with a single test. It wouldn't be fair whatever
> the outcome. Any rigorous test would have at least
> four repetitions of the same experiment. Maybe
> there are enough machines out there that we would
> have at least two identical machines for each type
> manufactured. If there were not really significant
> differences then that might tell the story. I'm
> open to anything that will actually sort out some of
> these variables, even those we expect in the lab
> results. Maybe Elaine would tell us what the
> acceptable limits are for her lab testing in the
> sense of one sample being run multiple times as a
> quality control test. I agree that there are limits
> to what any lab can do. I don't know what to think
> at this point, I've never sent paired, blind samples
> before. I would pay for one of the samples though
> if someone paid for the other.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dkemnitz2000
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:49 PM
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
>
>
> ---Dave, I was trying to point out there are many
> variables included
> even in the testing, even of objective tests. I run
> a flour sample
> here (myself) and do all the sample prep one day and
> do it again the
> next day and get different numbers (vitamins B1 and
> B2 for instance)
> each day. New variables the next day? Sample
> changed? Usually the
> numbers are close but what do you do when it comes
> time for
> disposition esp when numbers are not close? Maybe
> average, maybe
> rerun sample, maybe get another sample? Maybe
> re-write the specs.?
> Maybe throw out one for some reason. Anyway
> experimental design will
> be important in the brewer tests. Dennis
>
>
>
> In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "David Loring"
> <dloring3_at_c...> wrote:
> > Dennis - I agree with about 95% of what you've
> said but there is a
> need for testing in my mind, not with someones hard
> found recipe, but
> with a mutually agreed to compost and food of some
> kind. Unless we
> can get information about the variability of these
> machines then
> we're all on our own a bit and progress, much
> needed, will be
> difficult. It's hard to extrapolate to new
> situations unless we nail
> down the variables one at a time. I think the
> strength of this forum
> is found in combining our sometimes expensive
> experiences. I've
> spent a couple thousand on testing myself without
> any product except
> that I teach. Those of us in the non-commercial
> world stand to gain
> the most from sharing. If I can pay for only one
> report and get the
> answers from 5-10 others I'd consider it money well
> spent.
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dkemnitz2000
> > To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:04 PM
> > Subject: [compost_tea] Re: ACT
> >
> >
> > --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "tomjasz"
> <tom_at_l...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, but understandably the
> developers of the
> nutrient
> > > packs have invested thousands of dollars in
> their "recipes".
> Two
> > > developers I have conversations with aren't
> particularly
> excited
> > > about having a competition. They are busy with
> their farmers,
> fruit
> > > growers and viticulturists developing
> successful operations
> based
> > on
> > > sustainable practice and using ACT as a part
> of the program.
> The
> > > controlled testing has been going on with
> several manufacturers
> for
> > > several years. The idea of a competition
> borders on the
> ridiculous
> > > from my perspective. What would such a
> competition achieve?
> > > Apparently several tea systems are producing
> stellar results.
> Some
> > > find the need to blather about and have NOT
> achieved any
> consistent
> > > successes.(comment not directed at list!) I
> continue to suspect
> > they
> > > bandy about only the best of their tests.
> Other manufacturers
> > > consistently produce high quality tea without
> competitions or
> this
> > > list. Please don't misunderstand that
> comment...there are over
> 300
> > > members and about ten posters!!!
> > >
> > > Thanks for the invitation Tom! I already wrote
> Brewer Bob and
> this
> > list two opinions earlier today which I
> cancelled for
> consideration
> > to all.
> > I'd have to say my bottom line is cost
> perhaps like many of
> you.
> > I believe in tests, like Jeff. I am a lab tech
> in a food testing
> lab
> > and don't make enough money to hire tests on
> tea I'll use on a
> 65
> > acre farm. In our lab we use standard testing
> procedures. Some
> > samples(duplicates) are sent to other labs to
> see how we compare
> to
> > them. You might be suprised but they don't get
> the same answer
> we
> > get any way. Even labs(and brewers) must deal
> with accuracy and
> > precision.
> > So I'll be brewing, testing applying and
> reporting based on
> what I
> > glean from this board and seminars and cd's and
> ATTRA and
> whatever
> > else might work without hiring many experts. I
> guess this is
> better
> > than spraying pesticides herbicides and
> fertilizers. Dennis
> Kemnitz
> >
> >
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