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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

One interesting thing is told by our acharyas regarding this paasuram.  Azhvar 
says "vAzhum sOmbar" that indirectly indicates that there is one another 
category of "thAzhum sOmbar".  'thAzhum sombar' is one who doesnt do anything 
due to tamo gunam.  But 'vAzhum sOmbar' is one who doesnt do anything being a 
prapanna ("mArbilE kai vaiththu vuranga prApthi") who has realised that 
everything is done only by emperuman. What a great paasuram and really great 
vyakhyanams by our acharyas.

Azhvar emperumAnAr Jeeyer thiruvadigale sharanam
Adiyen ramanuja dAsee
Sumithra Varadarajan
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vishnu 
  To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:08 PM
  Subject: [ramanuja] Re: Seshatvam and paratantriyam




  --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, rajan s <rajan_ramaswamy@xxxx> wrote:
  > 
  > Dear All 
  >  
  > The concept of paratantriam is expalined by Thondar adipodi Azhwar 
  in his Thirumalai, 38th pasuram which is as follows.This is the core 
  pasuram of Thirumalai.
  >  
  > >  
  > Memporul pogavittu--Keeping aside concept of moksha and all that( 
  Memporul-moksham)
  >  
  > Meymaiyai  migavunarndhu---understanding the nature of Sriman 
  Narayana(meymai- The Lord)
  >  
  > Ambarisu arindhukondu---knowing the real aim of life (ambarisu-
  kainkaryam)
  >  
  > Aimbulan agathatakki---controlling the five senses
  >  
  > Kambara Thalai siraithu---giving up all ego
  >  
  > Un kadaitalai irunthu ---residing in your vicinity
  >  
  > Vazum sombarai--- the real paratantrins( sombar- people of such 
  nature)

  The real lazy people, who do not make any efforts, but reside close 
  to you, by realizing their SEshatvam with the thought that it is by 
  your grace (hence no ego). What a wonderful pASuram? I missed reading 
  it when I replied to you previously.

  Dear Sriman Rajan, all these pASurams are wonderful examples of 
  SEshtvam, pAratantryam etc. They have to be learnt only from the 
  learned. Perhaps that is why maNavALa mAmunigaL stresses on AchArya 
  sambandham,as AchArya makes us realize our natural SEsha-SEshi 
  sambadnham.

  Dasanudasan
  Vishnu

  > Ugathi polum----you seem to like these people
  >  
  > Soozh punal arangathane---- God  Ranganatha
  >  
  > The free will or the swatantriam of the soul is thus surrendered as 
  sung by the Azhwar.
  >  
  > The paratantriam is a state of mind.
  >  
  >  
  > Adiyen Ramanujadasan
  >  
  > Soundararajan
  >  
  > Azhwar Emberumanar Jeeyar thiruvadigale sharanam.
  >  
  >  
  >  
  > 
  > 
  > Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhann@xxxx> wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > Well,
  > We have independence(swa). Using that independence(swa), if we give 
  > up that very independence then that is pAratantryam(dependencde).
  > adiyen,
  > rAmAnuja dAsan
  > 
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