srImathE rAmAnujAya namah There are purANic references, as well as incidents in their lives that show that Ramanuja and ANdAL are none other than AdisEsha and bhUdEvi repectively. For Ramanuja, here are a few examples: The authentic guru parampara prabhAvam quotes the following slOka from a work known as nAradIyam yAdavAdri mahAthmiyam - anantha: prathamam roopam lakshmaNascha satha: para: | bhalabhadra: thrutheeyasthu kalau kaschid bhavishyathi || rough paraphrasing of the meaning of the above slOka is "anantha: is the root moorthy; lakshmaNa is his next avathara; balarama is the third avathara; as the fourth, in kaliyuga, he will take incarnation as a mahapurusha". An incident from Ramanuja's presence on this earth is also illustrative - in thoNdanUr, near mElkOte, Ramanuja was once challenged to a debate by thousands (the guru parampara prabhAvam mentions panneeraayiram - 12,000) of jainas. During that time, Ramanuja went behind a screen, took His original form of AdisEsha, with thousands of hoods, and He debated all these jains and won the debate, and many of them became His sishyAs. Irrespective of the things like above, I think the most important evidence is that our AchAryas have told us that Ramanuja is the avatAra of AdisEsha Himself. Our AchAryAs say that AdisEsha took avatAra as rAmanuja, lived for 120 years, and took avatAra again as svAmi maNavALa mAmuni a few centuries later and completed His tasks on earth. KrishNa says in bhagavad gIta (3:21) - "yad yadaacharathi srEshta: tat tat dEva itharO jana: | sa yatpramANam kuruthE lOka: tat anuvarthathE || rough paraphrasing of meaning - "whatever those with knowledge and practice of sAstrAs do, whatever extent they do, others in the world do and follow" here, rAmAnuja Himself, in gIta bhAsya says how to interpret - not only does the world follow what these great people follow, but they also follow exactly to the extent that these great people followed, without any expansions/contractions to the practice - "yat pramANam yadanga yuktham anutishtathi, tadangayuktham EVA akrutsnavid lOka: api anuthistathi" So, given that our AchAryAs have said and conducted themselves in a way to respect/worship Ramanuja as AdisEsha, we need to follow them exactly. Regarding them not claiming to be who they really were, there is another example - Rama did not generally claim that He is the supreme being when He was here, nor did He display His visvarUpa form like KrishNa did. AzvhAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE saraNam, adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan, varadhan --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Lakshmi Narasimhan" <nrusimhann@...> wrote: > > Dear Swamin, > The answer lies in your question itself. I am just swapping the > sequence of information present in your question: > >From what i have learned from their life events, is that both were > very humble and never claimed to be anything other than servants of > the lord. > > > Now Sri Vaishnava sampradaya is 100% bonafide according to > shrastras, i just wanted to know which shastras and authority > provide us with the information that Sri Andal and Sri Ramanuja are > Bhudevi avatara and Sesha avatara respectively. > > Similar to Sri Kothai Naacchiyaar and Sri Emperumaanaar, bhudevi as > well as adiseshan are humble servants of the lord. We must actually > try proving whether Bhudevi and Sesha really have capabilities that > could be compared with the former in terms of bhagavad and > bhaagavada abhimaanam and priyam rather than vice-versa. > > adiyEn, > rAmAnuja dAsan > > > > > --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tesh_tel" <tesh_tel@> wrote: > > > > Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah > > > > Dear devotees, > > Jai Sri Krishna. > > > > I have one issue which i am keen to have some knowledge about. In > > Our dharma Sri Bhagavan and his associates periodicaly take form > in > > the material world for the uplift of Jivas. One unfortunate > feature > > of this beleif is that many wicked jivas take advantage of this > > belief and claim themselves as God, some examples include King > > Paundaraka in the Dwarapara Yuga (who claimed to be the real > > krishna) and Puttarpathi saibaba in this yuga. > > > > Our shastras fortunalty provide validification of The avatars so > > that we cannot be fooled. As we know by reading the shastras we > have > > no doubt that Sri Rama and Sri Krishna are the Supreme lord > himself. > > Now Sri Vaishnava sampradaya is 100% bonafide according to > > shrastras, i just wanted to know which shastras and authority > > provide us with the information that Sri Andal and Sri Ramanuja > are > > Bhudevi avatara and Sesha avatara respectively. From what i have > > learned from their life events, is that both were very humble and > > never claimed to be anything other than servants of the lord. I > > cannot recall a time when Sri Andal or Guru Ramanuja displayed > their > > divine personalities. So how do we know of there true identities??? > > > Azhvar EmberumAnAr JeeyAr ThiruvadigalE Saranam http://www.vedics.net Yahoo! 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