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Dear Lakshmi Narasimhan Swamin:

As you mentioned in mail, the reverse i.e., comparing
BhU dEvi and Seshan with SrI Andal, Ramanujar in terms
of bhagavat and bhaagavada abhimaanam is more than the
latter.

BhU dEvi after lifted by Sri VarAha moorthy, she asked
the way for the uj~eevanam of jeevAtmAs like us.
VarAha
moorthy explains the way through Varaha Carama Slokam
which is explained in Varaha Puranam.
(Rescue of BhU dEvi by emperumAn in Varaha avatAram
proves her bhagavad abhimaanam)

Due to her bhaagavada abhimaanam, she took avatar
as SrI Andal, and lead her life according to the
Varaha Carama Slokam so that , the latter jeevAtmAs
like us would attain the feet of Lord.!

Without Her kArunyam towards us, we wont get Thirup
pAvai now. 

Similarly, sEshan is known for his service to Lord
at Sri vaikuntam as mentioned by alwar:
"senrAl kudaiyAm irunthAl singAsanamAm..."
   -- muthal thiruvandhAdhi  (53)

He is doing kainkaryam to Lord in all forms. This
proves his bhagavad abhimaanam. Similarly his birth
as Srimad Ramanujar proves his bhaagavada abhimaanam.

If there's any mistake please forgive and comments
ont this are welcome!

adiyEn,
senthil.b


--- Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhann@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear Swamin,
> The answer lies in your question itself. I am just
> swapping the 
> sequence of information present in your question:
> >From what i have learned from their life events, is
> that both were 
> very humble and never claimed to be anything other
> than servants of 
> the lord.  
> 
> > Now Sri Vaishnava sampradaya is 100% bonafide
> according to 
>  shrastras, i just wanted to know which shastras and
> authority 
>  provide us with the information that Sri Andal and
> Sri Ramanuja are 
>  Bhudevi avatara and Sesha avatara respectively.
> 
> Similar to Sri Kothai Naacchiyaar and Sri
> Emperumaanaar, bhudevi as 
> well as adiseshan are humble servants of the lord.
> We must actually 
> try proving whether Bhudevi and Sesha really have
> capabilities that 
> could be compared with the former in terms of
> bhagavad and 
> bhaagavada abhimaanam and priyam rather than
> vice-versa.
> 
> adiyEn,
> rAmAnuja dAsan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "tesh_tel"
> <tesh_tel@...> wrote:
> >
> > Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah
> > 
> > Dear devotees,
> > Jai Sri Krishna.
> > 
> > I have one issue which i am keen to have some
> knowledge about.  In 
> > Our dharma Sri Bhagavan and his associates
> periodicaly take form 
> in 
> > the material world for the uplift of Jivas.  One
> unfortunate 
> feature 
> > of this beleif is that many wicked jivas take
> advantage of this 
> > belief and claim themselves as God, some examples
> include King 
> > Paundaraka in the Dwarapara Yuga (who claimed to
> be the real 
> > krishna) and Puttarpathi saibaba in this yuga.
> > 
> > Our shastras fortunalty provide validification of
> The avatars so 
> > that we cannot be fooled. As we know by reading
> the shastras we 
> have 
> > no doubt that Sri Rama and Sri Krishna are the
> Supreme lord 
> himself. 
> > Now Sri Vaishnava sampradaya is 100% bonafide
> according to 
> > shrastras, i just wanted to know which shastras
> and authority 
> > provide us with the information that Sri Andal and
> Sri Ramanuja 
> are 
> > Bhudevi avatara and Sesha avatara respectively. 
> From what i have 
> > learned from their life events, is that both were
> very humble and 
> > never claimed to be anything other than servants
> of the lord.  I 
> > cannot recall a time when Sri Andal or Guru
> Ramanuja displayed 
> their 
> > divine personalities. So how do we know of there
> true identities???
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



                
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