Re: [compost_tea] Attacks

From: Jason Austin <jason.austin_at_shaw.ca>
Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 10:01:32 -0700

Please people - couldn't these sorts of messages be made off the list if
they have to be made at all?

Jason

soilfoodweb_at_aol.com wrote:

> Ted,
>
> In previous e-mails, I have QUOTED your personal attacks on me and on
> other people, straight out of your e-mails.
>
> Anyone on the list not see them? Anyone on this list not know what
> I'm talking about?
>
> Ted, you even attacked me in the e-mail where you say you have never
> attacked me! What do you think this statement, quoted from YOUR
> e-mail, is?
>
> "You don't like my posts and you think Jeff has all the answers then
> simply state you think my testing is BS as you are doing and that Jeff
> is right and you have the proof. There is no reason to get personal
> about this."
>
> Point 1 - I just realized, when you write "you think Jeff has all the
> answers", that you are jealous of Jeff. Is that the problem here?
>
> Point 2 - I have NEVER said I don't like your posts. Where have I
> ever said that? You have no basis on which to make your statement.
>
> I have always distinguished between the useful information that you
> give, and the incorrect information you give, and the put-downs that
> you deliver.
>
> STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH THAT I NEVER SAID.
>
> Point 3 -
> I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT I THINK YOUR TESTING IS BS.
>
> I have pointed out where you have incorrectly interpreted your
> information, where you reached an inappropriate conclusion, or where
> you tried to make a statment that was not upheld by the information
> you were giving.
>
> When you state that compost tea cannot control slugs, I will object,
> because some people manage to control slugs just fine with compost
> tea. Mechanism for control? Adequate fungi, and probably the right
> set of fungi. Possibly yucca needs to be used to get those fungi to
> grow. Possibly certain sets of nematodes are present. Just because
> the guys in Ohio can't isolate and grow them does not mean they are
> not present in some people's compost.
>
> Point 4 -
> YOU SAY THAT I CLAIM THAT I HAVE THE PROOF. What are you talking about?
>
> I gave examples of where compost tea was clearly the cause of the
> slugs no longer being present. I was clear that was the limit of the
> information I had. I never said I had some kind of holier-than-thou
> absolute proof.
>
> Did anyone except Ted mis-interpret my words? Is anyone else not able
> to understand simple English sentences? Does anyone else have the
> need to twist what other people say into bizarre statements that do
> not reflect what was said?
>
> The information that Jeff posts is correct, to the depth and limit
> that his testing has carried him, and at least Jeff doesn't
> over-extrapolate his results. He states what he sees, and there it
> is. When someone else says they don't see what Jeff sees, at least
> Jeff has the good manners to accept that person's experiences.
>
> Jeff doesn't make any statements that what the other person is seeing
> can't possibly be the case. And yet, because TED has not experienced
> slug control, he negates everyone else's experience as not being
> possible.
>
> Do you, Ted, not understand that to negate everyone and anyone else's
> experiences is a put-down?
>
> Can I say this in any simpler English?
>
> STOP PUTTING OTHER PEOPLE DOWN.
>
> Point 5 -
> For me to object to unpleasant behavior is not a put-down. I have not
> called you names, I have not made claims about your data, or other
> aspects of what you do.
>
> I have asked you to stop being dis-respectful of other people.
>
> Don't refer to other people in your posts, unless you can put in the
> quote from their work, or their e-mails that supports what you are
> claiming.
>
> I am tired of you telling people that I said things that NEVER came
> out of my mouth, that were NEVER written by me.
>
> I will ALWAYS point out to the rest of the list when you put words in
> other people's mouths, when you mis-quote people, when you use terms
> inappropriately.
>
> I will always point out to the list serve the inaccuracies in what you
> say and do.
>
> And I, of course, expect that you will do the same for everyone else.
>
> But treat others with respect, and be honest. No twisting of what
> someone else says, no mis-interpretation of what others say just
> because you want to make yourself look better than them.
>
> Elaine Ingham
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