[compost_tea] Ethics and sorry for the off topic stuff

From: Ted Peterson <ted.peterson_at_tcsn.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:09:54 -0700

Ethics. Hmmm. There are a lot of actions that are legal and correct by la=
w but unethical. There are also other actions that are completely illegal =
but are ethical so these questions are better answered by your preacher or =
Rabbi or Imam or yourself. If you feel an action is unethical, based on yo=
ur belief system, then it probably is. I did not make moralistic judgement=
s on comanies or individuals. The old Caveat Emptor works here and if you =
are doing work that is contractually covered by an agreement, it is ethical=
 to live up to that agreement. If you don't have an agreement then you are=
 free to operate with your conscious as a guide. It isn't up to me to judg=
e anyone who doesn't protect themselves and anybody how enters into a trans=
action with anybody else should operate as if that person or entity is comp=
letely honest and above board unless proven otherwise. If people were ethi=
cal, we wouldn't need lawyers. But people are just people with all their h=
onor and falibilities. So if you are doing work, make sure you understand =
the ground rules and don't assume you know them.

Companies and gummint bodies work by compartmentalization and while their u=
ltimate goals might be ethical and lofty, the reality of day to day work is=
 highly unethical.

So. . .

Stealing is unethical unless you are stealing the ability of one person to =
hurt another. Lying is unethical unless the lie is to a tyrant who is oper=
ating in an unethical manner. Telling the truth is unethical if it is done=
 to cause harm to another person. So, you see, there just isn't one way to=
 look at the situation.

As for Bush:

You probably don't know the mission statement during WWII. It was "Win the =
war in Europe and then win the war in the Pacific. Now, we were attacked b=
y the Japanese yet put our first major effort into Europe and against Hitle=
r who had never attacked us. I look at the terrorists and Iraq in the same=
 way: It's another front in the war we are engaged in now. One of the great=
 things it did was cut off the main source of Khadafi's money. We stopped =
Hussein sending money to remote sites for CW and BW production. Khadafi ro=
lled like the punk he was. When he rolled, he gave us tons (Actually two c=
omplete C5As packed with documents.) of data on countries and terror groups=
 who had been using his country as a remote site to build or maintain an in=
tellectual infrastructure. If that wimp Kerry were in office, we would nev=
er have gotten that. Another thing. The only chance we have in the mideas=
t is to break the monarchies and force them into rep. Democracies similar t=
o Turkey. As monarchies they can spend money as they see fit. There is no=
 accountability at all. The monarchies are funding terror networks and inf=
rastructure. Wait until the Oil for Food expose really hits home. You wil=
l find out why Franc and Germany and Russia didn't support us and it isn't =
pretty.

Ted Peterson
EW/SOE

PS. Sorry for the off topic stuff
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Titel Ryzhomer
  To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:25 PM
  Subject: [compost_tea] Re:pretty close to compost tea!



  Hi Ted,

  That is all real interesting, however, I believe, you avoided the
  question of ethics and morality and instead outlined ways to squeeze
  or use the system.

  As for Bush, although very far off topic, I wish he had taken the
  fight to the terrorists in reality. As for Kerry, I don't see anyone
  else to vote for because of the blank look and double digit IQ of
  the present head guy. As for fighting battles it irks me to hear
  Kerry bragging about 4 months when my Dad served 3 1/2 years and my
  battles left me gibbled for life.

  Cheers,
  Titel

  --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Ted Peterson"
  <ted.peterson_at_t...> wrote:
> Titel and others:
>
> The barter marketplace is still one that is not totally controlled
  by the gummint even though there are efforts underway to tax
  bartered labor and merchandise. Because it is so difficult to track
  and so few people actually admit to bartered trade, it will take
  some mighty stringent enforcement to get this controlled.
>
> Selling anything that offers medical results such as a cold cure
  or cancer cure are still areas that are "gray" areas. By this I
  mean that the people working in those areas may be producing things
  in a way that is uncounted for by any regulatory agency. If you
  remember DMSO4 which was a turpentine derivitave that people felt
  eased joint pain was one such area. The gummint has since passed
  legislation that controls anything that has a secondary medical use.
  So you can sell your mix but cannot sell it as a cure without FDA
  testing and authorization. The herbal and vitamin industry operate
  in the fringe area and are mostly self regulating. If you read
  labels, however, you notice that the producers have been forced to
  limit medical claims. There's still a lot of wiggle room there
  though.
>
> Yes, you could make your Dr. Titel's Elixir and even get a "poor
  man's copyright/patent" by mailing the ingredients to yourself or
  simply taking your papers to the patent office and getting a patent
  pending number. This means you are saying "to the best of my
  knowledge this is original work and I am claiming it as such from
  <date>." A patent search costs a lot of money. It's about $350K to
  $700K to have a lawyer conduct a patent search. You don't need
  that. If a company comes along and recreates your work, you may be
  able to get a percentage of what they do because you came up with
  the idea first and can prove it. Even if they claim they never say
  your stuff, you can make the claim because of a weird interpretation
  in the law that basically protects you, the original creator, as
  having changed perception because of the work you did and this
  change enabled the other company to get to their product when they
  wouldn't have gotten there before."
>
> If you enter a contract with a company to do a specific task and
  they give you the materials and provide a means to do the task and
  you sign a contract that states that "any invention, product,
  process or method you come up with as a result of that work is the
  property of the company", you have no leg to stand on even if you
  were the only person who could have come up with the process. That
  actually happend to me and all I got was a nice letter. When I
  pointed out that my work saved the company about $12M, they relented
  and cut me a check but it was a token amount considering the
  ramifications of my work.
>
> If you sign a contract that states that you have rights to
  processes that are discovered in coincidence to the work you are
  doing, you are safer but companies are usually greedy and seldom
  sign such stuff. There is also the chance that the company will
  have no interest in what you come up with and release interest. IBM
  did this with Bill Gates because they thought that hardware had a
  future and that software meant nothing. The Bank Of Canada released
  the rights to Omegamon to Aubry Chernick and he went on to make it
  into most widely used mainfram diagnostic program on the planet. So
  if you find something as a coincidence of the work you are doing,
  patent or copyright it under your name. Then go to the company and
  say that you developed something and are interested in seeing if
  they want to do anything with it. You may just get a release from
  any contract restrictions you have. If not, you can just do nothing
  with the patent/copyright or you can assign it to the company. Now,
  most companies have a date limit on the work you do. Usually it's a
  year and this has held up in court. So if you really find something
  great, quit the company, mow lawns or wash cars or clean windows or
  pump gas for a year while you develop your idea then go find some
  VCs (Not the soldiers but the capitalists) and see if you can get
  some development money. If it is in the same field as the company
  you worked for, you will eventually lose it without a release form.
  If it is a different field you will probably have no trouble until
  you get big then they will come after you as a matter of course
  whether they have a case or not.
>
> I am a registered Libertarian. According to Drew Carey, that's a
  Republician who still gets high. But I am not hard core. For
  example, I think that we need a nationalized healthcare system and
  we need it fast. I believe in public service as a part of
  citizenship. If you serve in either a domestic program like vista,
  head-start or an international program like the military or peace
  corps for four years, you get free medical for life. If you choose
  not to serve, you have to pay but nothng like the exhorbitant
  amounts you have to pay now. I'm glad Bush took the fight to the
  terrorists rather than waiting for another attack. Even if mistakes
  are made, I want them made on foreign soil not ours. I am a
  decorated Vietnam Vetaran who is Special Forces (You know them as
  Green Berets) qualified and served in combat. My inservice combat
  experience was 26 months continuous then as a contractor after
  that. I cannot possibly bring myself to vote for Kerry.




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