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From: Robert Norsen [mailto:bnbrew_at_yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:35 AM
To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [compost_tea] Flow forms
Hi Tim - A brook is a lovely thing to enjoy. If you have one nearby and c=
an get the water I certainly would use the water. A little hard to get the=
water warm and warming it will reduce the sparkling O2 that makes it so fr=
esh. That is what a brook or flow form does, adds O2.
[Tom Jaszewski]
http://waterflow.net/ffgallery.htm
“ FlowForms were created by artists who studied natural water movem=
ents carefully and observed waters classical circular movements in swirling=
eddies. To emulate and increase these tendencies vessels were sculpted in=
such a way that a constant stream of water flowing through it is allowed t=
o move in a rounder way and find a 'pulse'. By allowing the water to move =
closer to its nature it becomes more open to subtle influences which allow =
it to better carry biological information. This effect is like the qualiti=
es that occur naturally in high mountain streams. Vessels so sculpted allo=
w these natual movements to reanimate the water flowing in them. Water mov=
ing in circles and rhythms behaves in a more natural, balanced way, seeming=
to release more 'energy' from the water itself enabling it to stay fresher=
longer. Plants love this energy. So do birds.”
It would take a flow form many feet high and hundreds of feet long to add=
as much O2 per hour as your BobO.
[Tom Jaszewski] NO! you’re missing the intent and purpose of a flow=
form! Please do some more research!
Then to get the water, ACT, up there to flow down you would need to pump i=
t up thru a bug eating pump, via a pipe and recirculate the ACT that way. =
A flow form sounds very romantic but as a means to grow bacteria and fungi,=
your BobO has a flow form beat many ways.
[Tom Jaszewski] This is a misguided and uninformed advertisement…it=
’s only Thursday!
Think of your BobO as being a tumbling water flow formt that is 3 feet lo=
ng X one half the the number of seconds you run a brew
Lets see how that computes . 3' x 20 hours/ 2 X 60X 60 = 3x10 x 60x60 =
= 108,000 feet long.
and the flow form has to be steep enough to cause bubbling rushing water al=
l the way. I would estimate that the slope would have to be 1 in 10 to giv=
e it that kind of action.
That would make the top of the flow form need to be 10,800 feet high. Or=
you could have a flow form 1,080 feet high and pump the ACT back up to t=
he top 10 times during the 20 hour brew.
[Tom Jaszewski]
http://waterflow.net/index.html
What are FlowForms?
FlowForms are unique, water bearing forms that mimic Nature's best rhythmic=
flows. These sculptures were conceived by close study of how free, unfett=
ered water moves and meanders in nature. Free-flowing water is living wate=
r. It is the movement through FlowForms which helps return water to a dyna=
mic state. Thousands of vortices (whirlpools) created by FlowForms provide =
powerful aeration and reorganize water subtly at the molecular level which =
improve water quality....and helps make water the foundation for a peaceful=
source of refreshment, renewal and relaxation.
There are many romantic concepts from times and places when electric power=
and air pumps were not known.
And ACT testing was not done. Many stories of special water treatments o=
r conditions that are based on romantic thinking. Seldom includes facts as =
we currently insist on facts.
[Tom Jaszewski] To describe Steiner and Wilkes work as “romantic=
is scurrilous at best!
[Tom Jaszewski] The BobO is NOT a flow form!
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~gzy/heart/flowforms/flowforms.htm
http://www.sare.org/sanet-mg/archives/html-home/17-html/0056.html
Nothing about a BobO even remotely resembles the action of a flow form!
At another extreme there are brewers made that included a lot of pumps and =
pipe and vortices and hidden mystry that were desigend to look like a lot o=
f money so they could sell for a lot of money. A good business plan. I tr=
ied to keep it simple. Not so good a business plan but I feel honest. Bob =
[Tom Jaszewski]To imply other brewers and their manufacturers are less hone=
st than you is just plain near sighted, dishonest, and inappropriate!
John Wilkes Flow Design Research Group
http://www.emerson.org.uk/whoarewe/staff.htm
Flow Design Research Group
This Group was initially founded with John Wilkes, Nick Thomas and Nigel We=
lls.
Nigel Wells was the main collaborator from 1974 to 1985 at Emerson College =
and was involved in all design projects during this period. He then returne=
d to Sweden in order to continue as an Associate, building up the work with=
Flowforms in that country at Virbela Atelje. HansjPalm j=
oined for 1986 after which Nick Weidmann took over as design consultant and=
collaborator.
The present Core Group consists of the following members :-
John Wilkes: A.R.C.A. (Hons). Founded the sculpture programme at Emerson Co=
llege. Initiated the Flowform Method for rhythmical treatment of water. Sub=
sequently his Flow Design Research Group and Association have enabled proje=
cts and research to evolve world-wide and find reference in numerous public=
ations - Design and Scientific Direction.
Nick Thomas MIEE, MRAeS, C.ENG : Application of mathematical aspects of the=
Flowform. Calculation of path curves for Flowforms, projective geometry an=
d embryology. Work on ethers, seminal research. Publication 'Space and Coun=
terspace in Science' Lecturer on general Anthroposophical matters - Scienti=
fic Supervision. Follow Link <
http://www.anth.org.uk/NCT/people.htm> to Ni=
ck Thomas' site.
Costantino Giorgetti: Professor of Planning (retired) has been involved, fo=
r the last twenty five years, with the problems of North/South technologica=
l transfer. Co-founder of the "Appropriate Technology Centre" (Italy) and o=
f the "International Research Centre for the Development of the Andes/Amazo=
n Region" (Peru) he is currently a consultant on development issues - Organ=
isation.
Nick Weidmann B.Sc.: graduate of the Emerson College School of Sculpture, h=
as worked for the Flow Design Research Group for over 10 years. He also tea=
ches modelling at the College and Tobias Art School - Design Consultant.
Rick Hudson: Ph.D. Lecturer in Marine Biology at Melbourne University. Now =
Founder Director of CRESS Water dealing with Biological Purification System=
s - Biological Systems Consultant.
Tadeu Caldas agronomist, specialised in tropical and subtropical agricultur=
e, consultant to governments, NGOs and private institutions. He has provide=
d services in over thirty countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America and h=
e is, at present, involved in the implementation of projects in India, Keny=
a, Senegal and Morocco. Biodynamic Consultant.
One remarkable book on this subject is Theodor Schwenk's Sensitive Chaos: t=
he Creation of Flowing Forms in Water and Air.8 With a preface by Jacques C=
ousteau and endorsements by, among others, Gaia theory proponent James Love=
lock and Dr. John Todd, founder of the Centre for Restoration of Waters, Se=
nsitive Chaos outlines the common principles and rhythms which underlie the=
natural movement of water in rivers and streams, the sea, in a plant and i=
n the blood of a human being. The subtle patterns of water in movement are =
shown to reveal unifying forces and natural laws which underlie all living =
things.
Both Theodor Schwenk and John Wilkes draw on the inspiration of Rudolf Stei=
ner in their work. For over twenty-five years, John Wilkes has pioneered re=
search into the subtle rhythms and livingness of water. Working with the Fl=
ow Design Research Group and the collaborative efforts of Associates in som=
e twenty countries, well over six hundred projects have been implemented fo=
r research and application in the fields of "biological sewage treatment, f=
arming and gardening, as well as interior design related, for instance, to =
air-conditioning".9
The flowforms which John Wilkes and the Flow Design Group have developed ar=
e "vessels designed to generate rhythms in water streaming through them. Th=
us organisms may be provided with rhythm-and-oxygen-penetrated water as ste=
ps within a revitalising process. In heavily polluted waters this activity =
supports bacterial, plant and animal organisms in the breakdown of foreign =
substances. In relatively clean water the intensive movement aims at helpin=
g re-entry into the natural cycle". Their research has shown that "rhythmic=
al movement, generated as it is through the harmonic interrelationship of p=
olar forces (that is centric and peripheral forces) has an influence upon w=
ater's sensitivity and ability to support organisms".10
7 Peter Redgrove, 'Faithful to the Quiet Forests', Resurgence, Jan/Feb,1991=
, p.7. See also: Callum Coats, Living Energies: An Exposition of Concepts R=
elated to the Theories of Victor Schauberger. Bath, Gateway Books, 1996, & =
Olof Alexandersson, Living Water: Victor Schauberger and the Secrets of Nat=
ural Energy. Bath, Gateway, 1990.
8 Theodor Schwenk, Sensitive Chaos: The Creation of Flowing Forms in Water =
and Air. London, Rudolf Steiner Press, 1965.
9 John Wilkes, 'Flowforms', Resurgence, Jan/Feb,1991, p.12. For information=
: Flow Design Research Group, Emerson College, Forest Row, Sussex RH18 5JX,=
UK. T: (+44 1342) 823078.
http://www.flow-forms.com/newsletters.asp?NewsletterID=22
http://www.flowformsamerica.com/projects.htm#Covington%20Cistern%20Drawing
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~gzy/heart/nature/nature.htm
.
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Tim Livingstone <tlivingstone_at_jollyfarmer.com> wrote:
The recent discussion about flow forms has gotten my interest up.
As we all know from hiking in the wilderness, truly there is
something special about water from a good clean stream that is
unlike well water or treated water. Is there anyone that would know
more about flow forms used to brew tea and care to respond either
to me personally or to the group? Here are a few questions:
Q: Does anyone use water after it has flowed through a flow form
as the water source for brewing tea?
Q: Has anyone compared this type of water with regular water or a
normal brewer type design to see if it increases the microbial activity
or biomass?
Q: Does anyone actually "brew" tea by running it over a flow form
and is this better than a normal aeration system?
Thank you kindly to anyone who wishes to respond.
Tim Livingstone
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