Re: [compost_tea] Heating & Maintaining CT water and other subjects.

From: Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:35:54 -0700 (PDT)

Merla when you take our electric power line out of our lives and CT production you screw up everything. We flatlanders don't know how to cope. I was thinking park it in the sun and it will warm up just as I began to read that suggestion from you. Solar heating may be your best source. Any chance you could have a green house with water storage in it to warm water for all your use? Bath, laundry, and CTEA? It says in the solar heating science data that High temp. solar heat enters thru glass but that low temp heat source ( the heated water) does not exit thru glass. So over several days the average heat in the water would increase to where it would be useful for all those purposes. Paint the water tanks in the greenhouse black and cover to pevent evaporation cooling. Pump cold water in at bottom, take warm water from the tip. Do that 3 or 5 or more 50 gallon barrels in series. Each cold in at bottom warm out at top into the next barrel at the bottom etc. Your well w
 ater pump drives the flow. End barrel is rather hot water. The more barrels the larger the capacity to heat It is called passive solar heating. It works. If I know anything about you and Herb I know you have already investigated this. Such a solar system is not a small or simple project. Subject #2 WEEDS I've been working in my yard some of late. We have some daiseys and a few other wild flowers that grow like weeds only better. They seed and reseed and come up from the roots after a long winter and act just like weeds except they don't spread on the wind or creep underground and they are rather good looking as bright flowers most of the year. They are the first to bloom in spring and keep blooming all summer. Clover would be another great flower to plant. Since these plants are all affected by 24D you could rightfully object to the area being sprayed . Patrolling for other noxious weeds on an 8 mile road will still be a BIG project. But if I were a betting man ( I
 am) I would bet on the daiseys, Subject #3 PIONEERS When you feel sorry for yourselves there without the powerline remember how the rugged pioneers survived without . And how luckey you are that you live in such a beautiful environment. And how luckey we all are to have people like you defending that beautiful environment. Thanks Merla and Herb! Bob
Subject #4 I think I am appearing too dam often on this show.
Merla Barberie <herbnmerla_at_supersat2.net> wrote:Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:08:57 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Robert Norsen <bnbrew_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Copper heating element

Hi Jason You and others might do better to start with an efficient 80
gallon hot water
heater that puts and holds all the heat in the water rather than in the
surroundings. Then
fill your tank 80 gallons short of full with typical 52 F well water.
Add 80 gallons of
160 degree hot water and you are going to be at 70 degrees right away
and ready to start
the brew. No 2 day wait for the water to heat while the brewer tank
loses about half the
heat you are adding. A gas fueled HWH would be economical. compared to
electric if you
can use gas. Heat loss in the 24 hour brew will be partly offset by
microbic heating. An
air driven brewer will cool some. good in summer. Can be offset in
winter with in-tank
heater. External heaters are gong to put some heat in the tank and some
into the
surroundings. Not very effective. Defroster cable used to de-ice roof
edges can be used
by closing the thermostat. It won't take much heat to keep the system
warm. Bob.

How can we heat a 30 gallon brew when we don't have line power and we
have to make our CT in the vehicle we are going to disperse it from--a
van. Our ground water is 48-52ºF, but we get our water from a holding
tank that varies in temp according to ambient temp. It would take ~10
gallons of boiling water to warm up the water which we could heat in an
aluminum container over an open fire or with a propane torch. The most
efficient way of heating it would be to fill the barrel the day before
and park the van in the sun with the greenhouse effect working. The
problem is the overnight portion of the teamaking ceremony. Any ideas
about timing or whatever? What happens when it goes down to 40ºF?
Thanks goodness it's getting warmer.

Best,

Merla






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