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Respected Sri Lakshmi Narasimhan,
While Bhagavad Vishayam is amenable to a variety of
interpretations, the meaning of Tiruva'imozhi 7-9-11
appears to be unequivocal about the method of
recitation.
Angane-accordingly
Kandu-having found
Ingum angum-everywhere
Tiuma'l andr'i-except Sriman Narayana
Inmai-nothing;
Orayirattu - among one thousand
Ippattum-these ten verses 
Sonna-as composed
Ingane-in this way
Van Kurukur Sadagopan-[By]Van Kurukur Sadagopan;
Engane-in whatever way
Sollilum-recited
Payakkum-will give
Inbam-pleasure
The context points to the composition by Nammazhar.
Adiyen,TCASrinivasaramanujan 
Submission on the following statement:
"Engane Sollinum Inbam Payakkume" is for calling the
lord. You can 
call him, scold him, praise him. Whatever one may say
about him, it 
would always bring happiness to those who see it as a
praising of the 
lord. So, even when Yasodhapratti scolded Shri
Krishnan, it sounded 
nice to him. That is what is meant by Swami Azhwar's
statement.

Shri Andal says
"Paasi thoortthu kidandha paar magatku pandorunal
Maasudambil neera vaara MAANAMILA PANDRIYAM" - The
mother earth was 
under the dust and the sirt and this guy(lord) showed
up in the form 
of a shamless pig:) to rescue her! - This is what is
meant by "Engane 
sollinum inbam payakkume".

--- ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam
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> There are 5 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Chanting of the Prabandham? Svami
> Nammazhvar's words.
> From: "nappinnai_nc"
> <nappinnai_nc@xxxx>
> 2. Re: Digest Number 47o
> From: Srinivasaramanujan TCA
> <tcasr@xxxx>
> 3. Re: Re: Chanting of the Prabandham? Svami
> Nammazhvar's words.
> From: vimalkumar ranganathan
> <panardasan@xxxx>
> 4. Re: kooRudhumE, kooRuminE, kooRuvanE...
> From: Vijay Triplicane
> <vijay.triplicane@xxxx>
> 5. Re: Digest Number 47o
> From: "Lakshmi Narasimhan"
> <nrusimhan@xxxx>
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:47:49 -0000
> From: "nappinnai_nc" <nappinnai_nc@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: Chanting of the Prabandham? Svami
> Nammazhvar's words.
> 
> Sri:
> Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:
> Dear Sriman Lakshmi Narasimhan, 
> With respect to "srirAma...varAnanE",it
> doesn't matter 
> whether I recite the entire two
> lines/conversation(I'm invoking the 
> name Srirama thrice) or just say "Srirama"
> thrice,because Srirama(one 
> who delights the mind)name is
> equivalent/comparable(thulyam) to 
> chanting sahasra nAma. That is the meaning of
> "Ishvara uvAca". This 
> is like "prapatti" a short cut rather than the
> circuitous and arduous 
> bhakthi yOga. Nobody denies the fact that it will be
> much more 
> delightful to the mind when one knows the hidden
> philosophical 
> meanings and chants with perfection. Since I have
> been interacting 
> with Sri Soundararajan for quite sometime and
> since(due to the desire 
> to chant and for the Lord)he wanted to correct
> himeslf,he threw the 
> question in the list otherwise he would not have.
> Your post seemed a 
> bit negative(discouraging tone)and you had also
> mentioned that women 
> and sudras were not supposed to recite anything of
> this sort(kO 
> Dharma: sarvaDharmAnAm bhavatha: paramO matha: | kim
> japan muchyathE 
> janthur(all beings) janma samsAra banDhanAth ||)and
> hence I replied. 
> Hope this clarifies.
> AzhvAr EmperumAnAr JIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam
> NC Nappinnai
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:32:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Srinivasaramanujan TCA <tcasr@xxxx>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 47o
> 
> Respected Srivaishnavas,
> Regarding perceived errors in recitation of Divya
> Prabandham, we are rightly reassured with citation
> of,
> 
> Eng'ane sollilum inbam
> payakkume'[Tiruva'imozhi-7-9-11].
> I'du Muppatta'ra'yiram has an anecdote. During a
> recitation by Araiyars in Srirangam, some desciples
> commented on what they thought incorrect chanting.
> Sri
> Parasara Bhattar told them,
> "Tangal' anba'rat tamdusol valatta'l talait talai
> sirandu pu'sippa
> [Tiruva'imozhi 9-2-8]. 
> [They chanted with their devotion ACCORDING TO THEIR
> ABILITY TO EXPRESS]
> Sri Bhattar stressed on the word TAMADU SOL
> VALAM[their capacity to express] to allow for
> individual variations.
> I'd'u also says that the first line in Tiruva'imozhi
> 7-2-2 
> En tirumagal' ser ma'rbane ennum
> Ennudai a'viye ennum
> [She says He has Lakshmi in His heart; she says He
> is
> her very life]
> is usually recited with pauses after ennum[will
> say];
> once, it was recited without pause after ma'rbane,
> making the meaning as
> "She says He who has Lakshmi in His heart is her
> very
> life"
> This elision is mentioned in I'du with approval.
> The great Prativadi Bhayankaram Annangaracharya
> Swami
> has written that the line in Periyazhwar Tirumozhi
> 4-9-2,
> "Ennadiyar adu seyya'r seida're'l nandru seida'r
> enbar
> po'lum" 
> [Presumably He will say, my devotees will not do
> like
> that; but if they did so, they would have done the
> right]
> can be split as
> "Ennadi? ya'r adu seyya'r?
> [So what? Who will not do so?]
> Adiyen,TCASrinivasaramanujan 
> Dr.Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan
> 
> vimalkumar ranganathan wrote:
> 
> > Respected Adiyaars,
> >
> > I have a huge doubt.
> Even though tamil 
> is my mother tongue, I still have issues in
> understanding the meanings 
> of most of the Prabandhams. Well, if understanding
> the
> basic, flat 
> meaning is itself a problem as such, what about the
> subtle, deep, 
> philosophical truth hidden in each verse of the
> Prabandham??
> >
> > How should one chant
> the Prabandham?? Is 
> it ok, if he chants it without knowing the meaning
> as
> such. And what 
> about pronunciation mistakes?? Am I right if I say
> that it is an offense 
> if we make mistakes when we chant the pasurams, as
> it
> is tantamount to 
> insulting the Azhwars??
> 
> --- ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam
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> >
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> > There is 1 message in this issue.
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> > Topics in this digest:
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> > 1. Re: [SriRangaSri] Chanting of the
> > Prabandham the best possible way
> > From: "Rama Krishna K"
> > <kramakrishna@xxxx>
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:34:21 +0530
> > From: "Rama Krishna K"
> > <kramakrishna@xxxx>
> > Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Chanting of the
> > Prabandham the best possible way
> 
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T. C. A Srinivasaramanujan
Email: tcasr@xxxx

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