Re: [compost_tea] List Nazi?

From: oliver hauver <enoc2222_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:38:32 -0800 (PST)

BRAVO!!
 
 
 
 
Oliver

chriscreid <reidchris_at_earthlink.net> wrote:
Should I take personally HY's comment about people purportedly
collecting information for the good of the list and really for
personal gain? Hmm, how many hundreds of unpaid hours have gone
into this project so far? And I don't even know who this accuser is.
Please, group, if this is the general consensus, let me know because
I have spent far too much effort on this to be interpreted as self
serving. I have learned a lot in the process, but 100 per cent of
what I have learned I intend to turn back to you, the people who
wrote the posts and shared the information. If I write you a
private note and ask for info, I will tell you it's for the compost
tea project. If I want personally motivated info, I tell you that,
as well, so you can decide if you want to share or not.

Should I take personally Ted's comments about list fascists? I feel
very badly about upsetting him in asking him to limit his
advertising to Sunday. I think he's doing very interesting work. I
have no desire for him or anyone else who has invested in research
to share what they've invested in.

I also have had the thought that one of the things that makes the
list not work as well as it could is the failure to distinguish
marketing activities vs. fact presenting activities. The two kinds
of activities are quite different.

I find it unsatisfying that the group has standards or rules to
which the group does not adhere. To Linda's point about
groupiness, there is a message that is conveyed to the group, "I am
special and I'll do what I please, I don't have to respect the
groups; rules or purpose." So I have challenged this and become a
lightning rod for the wrath of those who choose not to follow the
rules. I am called names, and therefore, might makes right, I will
back off and the advertisers will do as they damn well please when
they want to do it. I'm clear now, boys, you have made your point.

It has been my attempt to be constructive. It seems to me that
there is an undercurrent desire to "do what we want to do because we
want to do it" more than there is a desire to work together to nail
down what we can nail down about tea.

IN working to come up with information from the archives and even
taking time to contact people privately, it has been my vision and
intent that the people who read this list and see amazing results
posted, also understand the hard work and specific steps that go
into creating them. There are farmers out there willing to "bet the
farm" on a new technology. They need to know that it's not a walk
in the park. There are people hoping to quit their day job and
start a new business. They need to know there are risks involved
and it's not all Miracles. There are home gardeners who are excited
and interested and intrigued. Buying a brewer, even an inexpensive
one, represents a major investment for a home gardening budget and
they need to understand what they will have to do in order to
produce tea that is useful in the long run -- not just short run til
you get your bacteria numbers in the soil up. There are land care
businesses owners who can't turn to the coop extension or ag school
or books or much of anything other than what Elaine Ingham has
published, and it takes even more than what one can find there to do
good work. For many, their time is already well taken up by having
to make a living in the warm months of the year. They need to be
able to get good information without spending hours to piece it
together.

I choose to share what I learn and am pleased at the sharing that
comes back in my direction.

I drive a 91 Taurus, live in a rented house in an expensive town, am
making no money off anyone's back on this list and am not interested
in depriving anyone of their proprietary information. If that is
what you all think is going on, I am very sorry indeed for causing
you worry and indignation.



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