Re: [compost_tea] Re: Water voodoo?

From: Ted Peterson <ted.peterson_at_tcsn.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:02:55 -0800

Folks:

You know, I am rather blunt. It isn't a matter of rudness but just, well, =
passion I guess. I tend to try to break things down and approach them diff=
erently to see if another view clears things up. I have a feeling that Dav=
e operates the same way but I can't be sure.

I haven't found his posts rude or confrontational but have found them blunt=
. The problem with this is that assertions can be made that appear certain=
 but are really part of a process. I have been attacked time and again and=
 misread a number of times. This is especially true if I disagree with some=
one.

When Dave asked for details than chided me for even mentioning what I was w=
orking on without a full description, I think I comes from that place that =
says: We are all working towards the same end so share freely. Some things=
 I will share but others I will not. When I publish, then anyone can pick =
up the data and use it with instructions.

Now, the work and testing I am doing and the reports I have submitted are d=
one so we can mutually grow. I would hope that if someone takes one of my =
reports and gets a big contract that they would have enough ethics to kick =
a few sheckles my way. But that is a personal decision.

So don't worry about confrontation. If you have ever been to a conference =
where people are working on a bunch of different projects, you hear a lot o=
f blunt statements. It usually just rolls off everyone's back. Once in a =
while, though, someone will say something that can really get hackles up. =
It is the same on every list I have been on and am still on: a lot of pleas=
ant discourse and every once in a while, pow.

We are all a bunch of know-it-alls in many regards so sit back and enjoy th=
e show.

Ted Peterson
SOE


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dkemnitz2000
  To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:22 PM
  Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Water voodoo?



  Ted, You mentioned the presence of voltage and very little amperage
  in the example below. It takes amperage to do life threatening
  damage as you may be indicating. Exactly how much I'm not sure but
  volts are not killer without amps.,ie electrical flow. This may be
  different at the cellular level. Stirred water possibly creates an
  electro magnetic field........... Ted what are oasts used
  for in the brewing industry?
  In beer bottling facilities you have pasteurized products or you
  have Coors and Miller, is it, that is filtered and unpasteurized. So
  the filtered product (containing live microorganisms, some desirable-
  some beer spoilers)has to be monitored and stored considerably
  different during and after processing than pasteurized product and
  has a different shelf life as well.. Dennis Kemnitz





  --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, "Ted Peterson"
  <ted.peterson_at_t...> wrote:
> Water, water, water. . .
>
> Before I designed my first brewer and after I had beel playing
  with a Soil Soup machine, I started doing research with people who
  knew how to move liquids of different densities: the food processing
  industry. The requirements for cleanliness in the food industry are
  far greater than any we will encounter brewing tea from compost but
  there are some similarities. Bacteria do grow as part of processing
  and this growth has to be controlled and tested. The water has to
  move through pipes and into "brewers" of a sort. The beer industry
  uses oasts which are kind of like a tea brewer (or vice-versa) in
  that a mixture is processed with water. Then I took a look at the
  waste treatment industry and found a lot of similarities. Even in
  processing something as simple as water there are factors that
  are "assumed" by this thread. I would suggest that a healthy look
  into hydrology may answer a lot of questions.
>
> As far as moving bodies of liquid creating electricity. . . This
  has been observed for some time. One contract I worked on used this
  principle to create a generator. It was called the dam-atoll. It
  basically used a vortex to move a wheel. As the device was built,
  it was discovered that the whole device became electrically charged
  (or hot) and what was finally discovered was that the column of
  water was actually generating an electrical field by the effect of
  moving through a limited space in a particular form at a particular
  rate. Yes there was V but extremely low (miniscule) A. It turned
  out that the energy required to use the V was much higher than the
  value of the V which made it economically impractical.
>
> As far as V in a brewer, we would have to see if large amounts
  actually fried the little critters or changed how they operate in
  some way. There are currently studies to determine plant growth
  rates and changes under power lines and as much work as has been
  done in that area, data is still inconclusive.
>
> So V in water? I am unsure as to practical value.
>
> Ted Peterson
> EW/SOE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Jaszewski
> To: compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:30 AM
> Subject: [compost_tea] Re: Water voodoo?
>
>
>
> This thread seems to be taking a confrontational direction, and
  I'm
> not sure why. The wonderful proponents of BD and Emoto have had
  and
> continue to have successes based on the energy properties of
  water.
> I'm not sure anyone really cares to "enlighten" when the tone is
> clearly confrontational.
> Don't believe it? Don't practice those concepts!
> Didn't read Emoto's work? Then there is no discussion, just
  flippant
> quips.
>
> Personally I'll use flow forms and continue to find Emoto of
  value. I
> would never buy or recommend a brewer that doesn't vortex water.
>
> Science is lacking but so is the data and science on the uses of
  ACT.
> That doesn't negate our successes.
>
>
>
> --- In compost_tea_at_yahoogroups.com, David Anderson <squtch_at_g...>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, I haven't read it, but if you have read the section on
  how
> this
> > works, as you say 5 or 6 times, you should have an
  understanding of
> > it.
> >
> > Please enlighten me.
> >
> > No one else seems to want to come forward with any supporting
> information.
> >
> > I am in no way claiming that the results of this process don't
  work.
> > But unless you show me either a reasonable explanation or
  testing
> data
> > that supports it, the the explanation of what led to the
  results, is
> > as Bob said "water voodoo".
> >
> > Dave
>
>
>
>
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