Dear Sri Lakshmi Narasimhan, What if the person can't get hold of any good cassettes, or has any "Acharyas" beside him, but just yankees and hispanics?? Should he not chant the prabandham at all?? I guess you make it sound like a huge transgression!! Adiyen Dasan Kidambi Soundararajan. Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhan@xxxx> wrote:Shrimathe Ramanujaya Namaha Respected All, Though I agree to this to a certain extent, I still feel that one must sit under an acharyar and learn these(this acharyar need not be the same as our samashrayana acharyar). I meant a "pandit" who is well versed in the Naalayira Divya Prabandam. I quote the following to support the same. When Shri Bheeshmar completed performing the vaarttha-arcchana with the Shri Vishnu Sahasranamam to the lord, everyone was happy to hear that and wanted to recite the same. Sivaperuman and Parvati were there too. At that point, Parvati asks the following to Shiva: ("Parvathyuvacha") "Kena-upayena laguna vishnor nama sahasrakam | Patyather Pandithair nithyam srothum icchami aham prabho ||" - meaning: Is there an easy way to match the result of reciting this sahasranamam? Only learned pandits could recite this daily. What about others? I would like to hear the answer for this question. Sivaperuman replies("Ishwarauvacha") "Shri Rama Rama Ramethi Rame Rame Mano Rame | Sahasra Naama Dhatthulyam Rama Nama Varanane ||" - meaning: Just chant "Rama" namam all the time. It is such a beautiful name that it brings the state of bliss to us. In those days, Women and Kshudras were not supposed to recite anything of this sort. Now, almost all of us(I hope I could say so) are in that state. Either we don't know(fully or partially) or we aren't eligible for that. So, we are no more than the kshudras of the Maha Bharatha time. And hence, either we must learn from a Learned Scholar or just stick to a Nama Japam. My point is not to discourage those who may recite the Divya Prabhandham wrong. But at the same time, if we know that we don't know something, we should try to learn it from the right person and till then Nama Japam is the best solution. There is no concept of "Quick Silver" anywhere. We have to wait till the right time comes i.e when Perumal decides that he would like to hear the recitations from us. "Engane Sollinum Inbam Payakkume" is for calling the lord. You can call him, scold him, praise him. Whatever one may say about him, it would always bring happiness to those who see it as a praising of the lord. So, even when Yasodhapratti scolded Shri Krishnan, it sounded nice to him. That is what is meant by Swami Azhwar's statement. Shri Andal says "Paasi thoortthu kidandha paar magatku pandorunal Maasudambil neera vaara MAANAMILA PANDRIYAM" - The mother earth was under the dust and the sirt and this guy(lord) showed up in the form of a shamless pig:) to rescue her! - This is what is meant by "Engane sollinum inbam payakkume". Whether you call him as Kannan or as Kaliman(a muddy dirt), if you say that with love, he would take up that form and come before you. So, your words do not matter when calling him, it is only the intentions that matter(For brahmin, even thinking of killing someone is considered as a sin, unlike for a kshatriya who can kill a person on the basis of dharma). So, the intentions really matter. But, this should be understood in the right context. Azhwar pasurams are the best way to feel and love the lord. That is why we have the practice of Prabandha Goshti. If you can't recite i.e if you don't know correctly, you could listen to it. To me, more than reciting, listening gives me the feeling of love towards him. When you recite, the concentration sometimes goes on reciting it right. When you listen, you just hear and feel it. You are focussed. I hope my point is understood in the right spirit. Kindly forgive me if I've mentioned anything wrong. Please try to learn everything from an acharyar(the right one of-course) and till then the nama japam, which is no less than the same, is the best solution. Yatheendra Pravanam Vandhe RAMYA Jaamaataram Munim Adiyen RAmanuja Dasan, Lakshmi Narasimhan --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Pattangi <danp@xxxx> wrote: > sri: > > Humble pranams to all: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:02:23 +0000 > From: VPS Varadan <vpsv@xxxx> > To: ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > sri: > > To support the contention contained in the message we should consider > Swami Nammalvar's words "engane sollilum inbam payakkume.' > The literal meaning of the words are > Engane -- In whatever manner > Sollilum -- recited > Inbam -- pleasure, here pleasure to Lord > Payakkume --will result. > > The meaning is even if we recite the pasurams of Alvars with > imperfection and in coarse sound Lord is pleased to hear the words of > Alvars. > > (Our Intention should be to the best we can) > > Dasan > V.P.Srinivasa Varadan. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Your use of Yahoo! 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